In Hindsight I'm pissed off with Kidd vs Tensai

[Dolph'sZiggler]

I know you get horny off random debates but no one can debate the IWC isn't full of complaining hypocrites lmao.

Because people use the tactics that I've just explained. As a whole of course any mass group of people will look hypocritical if you try and combine all of their opinions into one.

You always make it out like we should be happy with whatever shit WWE gives us. I ask for DZ to get a ME push, he is put into a lame feud with Punk where he is basically buried, I complain, and you say 'lol silly IWC why you no enjoy DZ in the ME??'

 

[Rysenberg]

Every single feud in WWE can be done better. My attitude (not necessarily the right one) is if we get something that we enjoy watching -- in this case an underutilized Kidd on RAW with a story -- then accept it as good. If you were on WWE creative right now, would you seriously book Tyson to keep going over Tensai? Tyson is the perfect size for the underdog wrestler and has the perfect wrestling style for it too. Think of him as Rey Mysterio without the mask. If you have Tyson get beat down by this giant monster, it makes that final win much more satisfying which makes Tyson over with the casuals.

Though it's hard to get fan backing when you feud with charisma sucking Albert. Lol. Personally I like it because Kidd has a story on RAW where if logic comes into play then he'll be winning that feud. I will only complain after the feud is done and Tensai comes out the better, until then, optimism is my friend .

That's exactly it though. They have to book him as an underdog, have the fans get so resigned to the fact that he's losing so they get shocked and happy when he wins. They did that well. But they didn't give the fans any reason to care - which defeats the purpose. So now - even if he beats Tensai again - the 'holy shit' factor has totally gone, meaning he won't get the fan support he could've done.

Just because it's WWE I'm not gonna expect crap story lines and go "oh well, at least my favourite is doing well".

Oh and if Kidd doesn't come out of this the better man, then fuck WWE.

 

[Crayo]

Moving on. Let's not make another thread about Dolph and his period.

Not sure how they'll continue Tyson/Tensai at MITB though. I don't see either of them winning it, maybe one costs the other insinuating the feud carrying on.

Edit: @Ralbin, how can Tyson look like an underdog without taking some beatings? None of his beatings have been clean either, both have been cheap shots.

 

[Snowman1]

@Rain: Spot on. The crowd loves an underdog and I really hope Kidd gets over despite being with Albert. He's so faultless in the ring so we don't have to worry there. One of the cleanest and consistent wrestlers in the world atm.

Hey, Vickie Guerrero is showing some interest in Tensai. Maybe she can help get him over?

Just because it's WWE I'm not gonna expect crap story lines and go "oh well, at least my favourite is doing well".

With as bad as the current regime is, that's really the best we can hope for.
So far, I'm fine with the way it's booked. It's similar to Aries/Bully Ray, where Ray bullied the little guy so much for so long that Aries Brainbustering him felt absolutely epic... so Tyson's eventual comeuppance will be a magical moment.

But, then again, wwelogic could rear it's ugly head.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Moving on. Let's not make another thread about Dolph and his period.

Chalking this up as a forfeit.

D'Z wins again; still undefeated :win:

 

[Rysenberg]

Moving on. Let's not make another thread about Dolph and his period.

Not sure how they'll continue Tyson/Tensai at MITB though. I don't see either of them winning it, maybe one costs the other insinuating the feud carrying on.

Edit: @Ralbin, how can Tyson look like an underdog without taking some beatings? None of his beatings have been clean either, both have been cheap shots.

That's not what I'm complaining about!!!!!!

I'm upset with the fact that the first match a couple of weeks ago didn't last longer, so that fans didn't really care that much when he won. I'm also butthurt about the fact that Sheamus beat him before Tyson did.

 

[Snowman1]

That's not what I'm complaining about!!!!!!

I'm upset with the fact that the first match a couple of weeks ago didn't last longer, so that fans didn't really care that much when he won. I'm also butthurt about the fact that Sheamus beat him before Tyson did.

I thought they did that perfectly, Tyson had a jobber entrance and really looked like nothing more than food for Tensai, so that quick match seemed to really get the maximum "holy shit, this kid actually won" emotion out of the crowd. And also, the guy was nothing more than job fodder for a year and a half, so it would be more believable if he had a flukish win than having him wrestle a competitive match with a guy who pinned Cena clean.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

I thought they did that perfectly, Tyson had a jobber entrance and really looked like nothing more than food for Tensai, so that quick match seemed to really get the maximum "holy s***, this kid actually won" emotion out of the crowd. And also, the guy was nothing more than job fodder for a year and a half, so it would be more believable if he had a flukish win than having him wrestle a competitive match with a guy who pinned Cena clean.

The thing is to casual fans who don't know what type of performer Kidd is, it did nothing to get them interested in him. If you were a kid watching Raw and didn't care about Kidd before, I doubt you cared about him after.

 

[Crayo]

That's not what I'm complaining about!!!!!!

I'm upset with the fact that the first match a couple of weeks ago didn't last longer, so that fans didn't really care that much when he won. I'm also butthurt about the fact that Sheamus beat him before Tyson did.

Re-read that back and tell me that's not minor complaints? Match length and a top face beatnig him before? Come on, surely the pros outweigh the cons massively here. -- certainly enough not to piss you off anyway.

 

[Rysenberg]

Yes but the match length was pretty pivotal IMO. Dolph's is spot on in his above post, you're a 9 year old who doesn't care about Kidd - do you have any reason to care about him after that match? No. If he took 15 minutes to do it, in an exciting match for the fans, will the nine year - old care? Yes.

I don't see how these complaints are minor at all.

 

[Snowman1]

The thing is to casual fans who don't know what type of performer Kidd is, it did nothing to get them interested in him. If you were a kid watching Raw and didn't care about Kidd before, I doubt you cared about him after.

Casuals saw Kidd as a complete joke before this happened, and after this he seems like less of a joke. Did this alone convert any casuals into Kidd marks? No. But if they continue the feud between the two in a similar fashion to Aries/Bully (minus the spectacular mic work ofc), it definitely could.

 

[Crayo]

Match length is void if you're feuding with Albert -- someone who's not over at all. That's not the point. If it's a back and forth long match then Kidd isn't the underdog, he's just a guy who can compete with Tensai. If it's a short lucky win, and then a few beatdowns after, he's solidified as the underdog .

 

[Farooq]

I liked the match. It showcased what Tyson Kidd was about, he is quick to the point, he takes down anybody he wants, he is showing, that you don't have to be a heavyweight to take down someone as big as Tensai, you need heart and you have to believe. All the Cenation kids will watch and think, "Maybe! Someday I can stand up to the Tensai in my school and achieve greatness like Kidd!" He is being a role model now, you all have to appreciate that. Sure he didn't get to show his amazing skills, sure he barley did anything, and yes he got jumped backstage, but he showed, if you can do a roll pin, then maybe, JUST MAYBE, you can be a hero too.

 

[Crayo]

Oh I love the WWE bot: http://wweforums.net/showthread.php?tid=7723&pid=152902#pid152902

WWE seem serious about him.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Casuals saw Kidd as a complete joke before this happened, and after this he seems like less of a joke. Did this alone convert any casuals into Kidd marks? No. But if they continue the feud between the two in a similar fashion to Aries/Bully (minus the spectacular mic work ofc), it definitely could.

You should be taken out back and put down for even loosely comparing this feud with Aries/Bully. Shame on you