I'm sorry guys...

[MizMasta3000]

Punk has been anti drug since he debuted, he let it out more when he became heel because IT MADE SENSE. He was feuding with Jeff Hardy, a druggie. Bourne has been "Air" since he debuted. Vince doesnt fear high flyers and thats not fair to say that that is why he hasnt been doing anything. You tell me what to do with Bourne? Mr. McMahon...

 

[Quintastic One]

You're honestly telling me that you think Punk in the mid card is a good thing for him? That there is nothing wrong with the fact that he was the hottest main eventer of the summer only to be squashed by The Undertaker and now reduced to feuding with R Truth and Matt Hardy?

I like you MM, but get real. They ARE wasting away CM Punk.

As for Evan Bourne-A-Jobber. He's the rey mysterio build. Which means he'll never get over in a WWE ring. And if by some miracle of a chance he does get to the top (never gonna happen) then it'll be a one month title reign where he's booked to lose to all the monster of the WWE just like Rey Rey. There's no use complaining about Bourne's push. You're only setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[MizMasta3000]

I'm not saying they aren't wasting him, I'm saying that they haven't been strapped with dumb gimmicks

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

Your going to tell me having punk call all the little kids in the audiance drug addicts is a good gimmick?

Lol, I mean, it only made Punk the most over heel in the company, so damn sure it can't be a good gimmick.

 

[Quintastic One]

I'm not saying they aren't wasting him, I'm saying that they haven't been strapped with dumb gimmicks

Well that I agree with. Unless you consider a heel straight edge persona a dumb gimmick and "hey look at me I do flippy thingies" a dumb gimmick. lol.

 

[Axis]

Agreed.

I don't see what the hype is over him. When I 1st saw him he looked generic. He's alright, but not as great or "best wrestler" quality like many have said.

You like Shelton Benjamin, so shut up.

 

[JurassicBonez]

How do you even compare those two statements. I've never said Shelton was the best wrestler. I even made a thread about best wrestlers going right now and Shelton was no where on the list.

 

[MizMasta3000]

He's calling Shelton generic i suppose

 

[xtremebadass]

OVW knew what they were doing, but lets remember OVW superstars got called up to a non-PG WWE. FCW guys suck ass because they are being called up to a PG show.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

BTW, even if CM Punk is currently midcarding, to say this:

vince only pushes indy guys for a few months then lets then waste away

Punk has already won every title except the US belt. 3 times World Champion. I mean, that's ALREADY a good career, and he's only 3 years into it.

 

[noumenon]

^Exactly.
Punk is having a little bit of lull in his main event momentum for the time being but he really seems to be one of those guys who are able to move through the card without too much of a "re-push" required. He's usually a show highlight no matter what he's doing.
Believe me, a drug free guy is a friend of Vince these days.

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

OVW was better and produced better talent because they had better bookers. Heyman and Cornette both booked that place and their creative genius far surpasses anyone that is paid to do creative for TNA and WWE. Why they are still jobless just defies logic as garbage pollutes the booking committees in both promotions. They could prepare anyone for the main stage better than anyone. I don't know who books FCW.

Another thing to consider is that OVW was a plantation for dudes that had the look that Vince gets wet to. Roided monsters like Lesnar and Bob Tista were that landscape. Plus those dudes just had the "it" that FCW dudes don't have. Don't blame PG, that's really not it.

 

[JurassicBonez]

^Exactly.
Punk is having a little bit of lull in his main event momentum for the time being but he really seems to be one of those guys who are able to move through the card without too much of a "re-push" required. He's usually a show highlight no matter what he's doing.
Believe me, a drug free guy is a friend of Vince these days.

Agreed.

Although he's not main eventing, the guy has opened the show how many times now not being involved in the title picture? The world champ or even the number 1 contender takes back seat to Punk sometimes.

 

[Montana]

Monty, your analysis of FCW is a little unfair, I mean, OVW produced who, Lesnar, Orton, Cena and Batista. Sure, a lot more of people came out, but since you are disregarding all the talent of FCW that have gotten lost in the shuffle, you might as well do the same with OVW....and ROH. MCMG, Jay Lethal, lost in the shuffle.

Give it 5 years, and just like OVW is responsible for Cena and Batista as massive main eventers, FCW will be remembered for the next batch of main eventers.

I agree you have to give it time, i'm just looking at the rookies in the last 5 years though. So many rookies have been called up and fired. The ones that actually make it to the midcard is a big sucess. As Enzo explains below, OVW had much better booking and scouts. Also OVW should take credit for Drew Mcintyre, but to FCW's defense, they've only been around a year or two. Not a lot of guys with "it" in FCW.

Im giving FCW credit for guys like Ted, Sheamus, and Drew. And while I like OVW better, I also think its WWE's fault for just taking guys out of FCW without really scouting and having plans for them. They bring like over 6 guys in at a time and of course they are going to get lost because you have no confidence in them to throw em in ECW and you have no plans for them by throwing them in ECW and if they move to SD or RAW, they will job to death (see Ricky O and Jack Swagger)

Drew was in the WWE before FCW existed. He's been in OVW, FCW a long time. I'd say ECW is the only safe place for new wrestlers to go, unless they are going to get a decent push off the bat.

OVW was better and produced better talent because they had better bookers. Heyman and Cornette both booked that place and their creative genius far surpasses anyone that is paid to do creative for TNA and WWE. Why they are still jobless just defies logic as garbage pollutes the booking committees in both promotions. They could prepare anyone for the main stage better than anyone. I don't know who books FCW.

Another thing to consider is that OVW was a plantation for dudes that had the look that Vince gets wet to. Roided monsters like Lesnar and Bob Tista were that landscape. Plus those dudes just had the "it" that FCW dudes don't have. Don't blame PG, that's really not it.

Agree'd. The scouting was better back then. If you were a hot prospect wrestler, and you had your choice between FCW and ROH, your going to get more/better experience in ROH in my opinion, and i don't think that's the way it should be. For example someone like a Tyler Black. I think he's a step above a lot of the guys in FCW, in the long run.

But you never know with the WWE. I thought guys like Kenny Omega, and Colt Cabana would be great fits for the E, but neither worked. Just my opinion on the development/scouting of the E.

 

[xtremebadass]

I see you guys are discussing Punk's gimmick? From what I saw on SD last week it looks like they are trying to make Punk an anti-drug Hitler who is working on raising an army of skinheads. But then again, that's just me.