How much do you miss
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Well, i wouldn't really say i missed the championship, as i haven't thought about it, However i firmly believe, to be a great show with todays product you need variety. One of the different styles of wrestling is hardcore. It ends fueds. It is what wrestling is all about.
As long as it is used properly, it can be a great asset to the product. You can't whore it out either though. (Example see WWE Themed PPV's) But as far as the WWE at the moment, it needs a spark. I think they could use hardcore wrestling better to improve the product.
Do i see it returning? To the WWE i assume, not like a TNA hardcore belt. I could see it, not very likely anytime soon. I feel like if they still had someone like Mick Foley on the roster, maybe someone a little younger, they could be given the name title as "King of Hardcore" or something along those lines. That is how i would keep it around. WWE doesn't really have any hardcore guys anymore.
As long as it is used properly, it can be a great asset to the product. You can't whore it out either though. (Example see WWE Themed PPV's) But as far as the WWE at the moment, it needs a spark. I think they could use hardcore wrestling better to improve the product.
Do i see it returning? To the WWE i assume, not like a TNA hardcore belt. I could see it, not very likely anytime soon. I feel like if they still had someone like Mick Foley on the roster, maybe someone a little younger, they could be given the name title as "King of Hardcore" or something along those lines. That is how i would keep it around. WWE doesn't really have any hardcore guys anymore.
I do not miss the Hardcore Title. There were very few good hardcore champions, and even fewer good hardcore championship storylines in the WWE. I would rather a Cruiserweight Title return than a Hardcore Title.
No I don't miss it.
We don't NEED to see Tommy Dreamer, Sandman, a fat, bloated Raven, Justin Credible (trying his best to convince us he was ever worth a shit, which he wasn't), Sabu, RVD and all the other ECW drunks coming back to hit each other with trashcan lids, rubber chickens, Mae Young's Hand and whoopie cushions.
ECW was inventive for it's time. We're never going to see FMW (Far East Martial Arts Wrestling) or CZW style hardcore matches on tv anyways. Let's just embrace the fact that, for a time, there was the Original ECW. I just don't want to see a watered down version of it anymore on WWE programming.
We don't NEED to see Tommy Dreamer, Sandman, a fat, bloated Raven, Justin Credible (trying his best to convince us he was ever worth a shit, which he wasn't), Sabu, RVD and all the other ECW drunks coming back to hit each other with trashcan lids, rubber chickens, Mae Young's Hand and whoopie cushions.
ECW was inventive for it's time. We're never going to see FMW (Far East Martial Arts Wrestling) or CZW style hardcore matches on tv anyways. Let's just embrace the fact that, for a time, there was the Original ECW. I just don't want to see a watered down version of it anymore on WWE programming.
No. No sir. Hardcore matches are kind of back to what they were the 50 years before ECW, street fights, No DQ's and Falls Count Anywhere matches. ECW didn't invent hardcore, they popularized it. But years before ECW guys like Dirty Danny McShain were having chain matches and that generation lead to guys like Abdullah, Tiger Jeet Singh, The Sheik and mother fuckin Bruiserbrody himself and of course Terry Funk was bedeviling himself into some really gruesome shit too. Either way, having a hardcore division cheapens the product and basically kills any sense of kayfabe for a regular wrestler's heat with their moves. A no namer like Crash Holly can take 10 chair shots, be broken through a table,then hit with a rubber chicken, yet the Rock gets pinned after one pedigree. That's bad for kayfabe and business. Hardcore just needs to be saved for heated feuds and rivalries through Streetfights and the whatnot, no need to call it "hardcore" when it's gotten by in the business for 50 years as "brawling".
BTW, what are everyone's favorite hardcore moments?
Bossman/ Al Snow feud, awesome shit, Bossman was a bad ass character in 99, with this and the Big Show feud.
Crash Holly as the 24-7 hardcore champ. Good stuff.
BTW, what are everyone's favorite hardcore moments?
Bossman/ Al Snow feud, awesome shit, Bossman was a bad ass character in 99, with this and the Big Show feud.
Crash Holly as the 24-7 hardcore champ. Good stuff.
I'm for props in wrestling, but I HATED how "Hardcore" only meant trashcan lids, kendo sticks and chairs in the WWE.
I do love TLC matches though. Keep those around for sure. They're usually pretty damn good.
But I say NO to bringing back the "Hardcore" division.
I do love TLC matches though. Keep those around for sure. They're usually pretty damn good.
But I say NO to bringing back the "Hardcore" division.
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Pretty much summed up the highlights of the WWE hardcore division. Bossman as the hardcore champion was the shit!! I also loved the Wrestlemania 2000 hardcore invitational thing, it was a pretty awesome 15 minute all over the arena brawl with some nice weapon work (which was usually limited to chairs, tables and a few trash cans, but in this match you had a fucking fan and a jar of M&M's!!)
The APA was also one of the highlights of the Hardcore division. Not so much for their wrestling or anything, but they were fucking hilarious.
But to answer the question, I dont miss the division at all, and I almost completely forgot about it. Hardcore died with the original ECW. As a kid I was so into the hardcore style, but after I hit 12 or 13 I got pretty bored with it really fast.
^^^He was pretty awesome in Headcheese, playing the straightman to Al Snow. I miss me some Al Snow when he was really entertaining. Once they gave him a straight character and dropped his crazy character, he went to shit. Remember how awesome he was when he was the Euro champ and every week he came dressed as a stereotype to whatever random European nation he fancied? That was awesome shit. Or when he started toting around that moose head called Peirre, awesomeness. And again, Headcheese was awesome shit too.
Headcheese is a great example of a fantastic gimmick with hilarious segments that couldn't get over long-term because of really poor ring work. If Snow and Blackman were even slightly above average, I think that who angle could have played off really well.
I was also a huge fan of the JOB Squad days lol... Honestly back in like 98-00 Snow was one of my favorite wrestlers, a good entertainintg character that was over pretty well with all age groups (despite many of the younger people not getting the 'We Want Head' pun)
The Hardcore title was tons of fun and at times I do miss it but at this point with the current WWE roster I can't really think of anybody I would be thrilled with holding such a title.
Yup, Bossman & Crash 'SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT' Holly woulda both made my list...
...Also Al Snow driving round with his own personal ref in a golf cart on his quest for the HC title @ WM18.
Generally speaking though, I was never a fan.... As already aluded to if you've got hardcore spots and shit on the lower card it desensitises you to the intensity of the later part of the card. Also most of the so-called weapons were utter shite (those thin foil trays for example).
LOL... Nice one for the reminders.... Forgot all about his European Reign.... T'was funny as fuck!
As for Blackman, he was a good straight-man... Anyone else recall him teaming with Angle upon Kurt's debut? ...More lolz!
Fuck Bossman! He cooked Al Snow's dog then made him eat it. I legitimately hated Bossman but boy did he have a great character. RIP to him
Other than that, I really enjoyed the J.O.B Squad (haha Al Snow vs. Al Snow). Personally, I liked the Holly vs Snow match for the title.
Other than that, I really enjoyed the J.O.B Squad (haha Al Snow vs. Al Snow). Personally, I liked the Holly vs Snow match for the title.