Survivor Series How do you feel about the match results of Brock Lesnar vs Goldberg WMXX rematch at Survivor Series?

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Should Brock have been beaten by someone like Owens, styles, or Rollins? Yes. But was Goldberg beating him a bad move? No. I think it was a good move for the shock value and for putting Brock in a position that he hasn't been in years: in a corner and broken. They'll fight again at mania 33 im sure and it'll be more of a fight.
 
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I have zero idea what you're implying here, because first off no, we do not know that Brock Lesnar never goes with the script. I am sure if he never went with the script, the match on Sunday would not have happened that way. Second, I don't think anyone disputed he lost. Third, many of us "defending" him are neither Brock Lesnar fans NOR are we defending him. I personally am not a Lesnar fan. I never have been and never will be. However, everyone claiming that his career is over and that he will never be taken seriously again are just being downright silly.

Honestly, I wouldn't shed a tear if we never saw Lesnar again. I have never been a fan of this undefeatable monster heel gimmick he has had since returning. I think it was a mistake to build him up into a character that was so indestructible that WWE wrote themselves in a corner. When he manhandled Randy Orton the way he did, they really took away any air of weakness he had. He was built too high for any person in WWE to seem to have a credible change at beating him.

So WWE broke him down. And I think it was the right choice. However, even though I am not a Lesnar fan, it's silly for anyone to think these things:

1. Having Goldberg squash Lesnar devalues the Undertaker's Streak somehow. It doesn't. That was nearly three years ago and the two things are completely unrelated.
2. Lesnar is just a jobber that can never be taken seriously again. Nonsense. He made a mistake that cost him a match. Yeah it was a squash but a squash doesn't erase who the man is, what he has done and what he Is capable doing. He will completely bounce back.
Agreed. This will be sold as Brock made a mistake that's currently haunting him. He underestimated Goldberg and then paid dearly for it. He will learn and I'm sure battle him at mania 33. He thought that Goldberg is just too old now and can't hang. Well, that mentality got him speared and jack hammered. End of story.
 

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Well... I've been thinking about this one quite a bit... And Jacob Fox really did take most of these points already so this'll likely be a half-assed, more profane version of his post, but here goes...

I loved it. It was fun! Guess right now I'm begging WWE to do more things that get away from the status quo... posted one time recently that while we all want to watch the next MITB 2011, I'd much prefer to see the next Victory Road 2011 to the next Extreme Rules 2015, a show that ended with... *googles*... a solid Randy Orton/Seth Rollins match in a cage. We've seen so much good wrestling that we've become spoiled, and no matter how this match came out it was going to be something different. And no matter what, this got us talking. From Grievous's hilarious glee at this to watching two co-workers almost re-create the match themselves they were so passionately divided on their side of the matter... And hey, had we sat through 10 minutes of Brock getting the heat, hitting a few surprise suplexes, holding him in a headlock for a minute... etc, we wouldn't have this thread. Goldberg just won and that was lame... And sure, Jacob Fox and I can go over to Kingsport, TN and go have a match and one random fat kid in the 3rd row will say "you guys suck!" and I'll look over and say "Look! A reaction! People are talking!" But... okay I've totally lost the point of this tangent and I need to go to bed.

*refocuses*

Newer posters, please remember with all this that I'm a cynical asshole and am always overly negative, lol. Longest running gimmick poster.

ANYWAY. There was a plan to use Brock to get the young talent over. I'm sure at WM30 when we just got off on Shield/Wyatts and how freakin' GLORIOUS that was :roode:, if we saw Vince wrote down on a piece of paper that "Lesnar ends streak" "Lesnar dominates Bryan Cena at Summerslam" "Reigns breaks from Shield and wins a lot" "Reigns wins Royal Rumble, main events against the unstoppable beast, and wins!"... Yeah, there were plenty of other things they did wrong - I mean, oh sufferin' succotash were there ever - but part of it was the inevitability of @Crayo calling that shit 9 months in advance. To build someone up to face Brock Lesnar, you had to do SO MUCH to put them over that it feels like an inorganic force, and that it's an "inevitability" that they win and becomes predictable in that way. And unless they can recapture the magic of Punk or Bryan (good luck) it's something they have to battle back against when making the next top guy. Not to mention the fact that whoever would face Brock would be such a babyface in the buildup as he's fighting to overcome the ultimate odds, but people will turn on that person awfully quick that way as they become said odds for their competitors...

As much as I'd love to fantasy book someone going over the old unbeatable Brock Lesnar, like "Sami Zayn drops him, surprises him with a Helluva Kick and gets a shock 1-2-3 and runs for his life" or "Samoa Joe kicks him in the dick 80 times and he finally doubles over in pain" or just "AJ Styles beats him in a regular ol' quality match" lets be real here. None of this is happening, lol.

But... Brock's a part timer. Goldberg is a part-timer who'll at least be back for RR and Mania. It's not like anything really changed here. Goldberg's now the unbeatable God among men who beat the dude who ended the streak and beat everybody. Going over Goldberg means EVERYTHING right now.

If anything, this gives them 2 options because Lesnar is far from dead here. If you book Kevin Owens vs Brock Lesnar next month, it's not something you'll totally laugh at. Owens feels like he has a shot. And this could be JUST what the doctor ordered for Brock Lesnar, good lord. Ever since that garbage ass Ambrose match (in hindsight that's looking even worse right now) he seems to have lost so much mystique all this drawing power because he does feel more like a boring unmotivated suplex machine than the unbeatable conqueror BARAAAAAACKKKKKKK LESSSSSSSSSNNAAAAAAARRRRR we all know and love. He can't come back next match and just lazily throw around suplexes! He can't! He's gotta come back angry and upset and ready to prove that he was just overconfident and ready to whoop some ass like only he can. If we get a whole NEW Brock Lesnar with a few chinks in the armor? Yeah,

inb4 he sells this as well as Cena sold the original asskicking he got from The Beast

The issue is, I know... I know, Brock is going to eliminate Goldberg from RR, and they're going to do a rematch at Wrestlemania... and I really really REALLY don't care about a rematch. Will it be as good as this? No. So I'll pass.
Plus there's the old issue rearing it's ugly head... Undertaker vs Cena. Triple H vs Rollins. Lesnar vs Goldberg. Top 3 matches right here, with one full-time member of the active roster on the list.
Sounds like what's five years ago is new again.
 
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Short and sweet, since we were forced to watch these two I was for the way they presented it. Anything longer might've made the match a complete bust.
 
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