How big do you think the IWC really is?

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I'm not sure where to put this, so I put it here for now, feel free to move it to a better place if you think there's one.

I'm sure most of us has heard to Eric Bischoff comment about how the IWC is only 10%. Do you agree or disagree with that. By IWC, I mean the people like us who post on wrestling forums, do Youtube reviews, follow online rumors and dirt-sheets. I think that the IWC is larger then 10%. I think the majority of WWE fans are the IWC and little boys and girls. What do you think?
 

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Depends how you define fan. By fan, do you mean anybody in a 20k arena on any given Raw show? If so, the IWC is a small percentage, and I'd say 10% isn't a bad estimate. Is a fan, just someone who watches Raw and Smackdown? I'd still say IWC isn't too high of a proportion. A LOT of younger kids like WWE, as do casual teenage fans who enjoy watching it on TV without ever checking the internet. Is a fan someone who watches every show, Raw, Smackdown, Impact? If so, then that percentage has to be higher. 12-15%,maybe, because IWC are pretty dedicated wrestling fans, whereas younger kids and casual fans won't know of Impact, or the casual fans won't bother with Smackdown because Raw is where the big storylines happen, and that's what they're interested in.

Speaking of my own personal network of fans;

I have 3 friends who watch wrestling. One who watches Raw/Smackdown. He doesn't check wrestling sites. One casual fan who watches the big PPVs. Once again, he doesn't check the internet. One who's somewhere in the middle, he doesn't go on the internet. My little brother and sister watch WWE, they don't check the internet. I have more Facebook friends who don't check the internet.

I'm the only person in like the 7 or 8, I just mentioned, who is a member of the IWC.
 
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I wouldn't include casual fans in this discussion. So I'd say the IWC is a higher number than most would. Also you can be a forum poster like us and still be a casual fan just ask The Cork or Deezy.
 
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I personally don't buy into this IWC thing. The term itself is problematic to me. What does it even mean? The internet is so widely used, what makes it so special with regards to wrestling fans? It's like trying to create some sort of special movement when there really is none. There is no official platform as far as what someone in this so-called IWC is supposed to believe, watch, think, like, etc.

I think there are wrestling fans, plain and simple. The degree to which they are fans will vary, as will their opinions and tastes. All the internet really does is make the distribution of match footage from different eras and promotions more easily accessible. That's not to say the internet magically began the idea that people were aware of this stuff suddenly, just made it more widely available.

Before YouTube and broadband connections to download hours of footage in minutes, there were tape traders. Before the internet "dirtsheets", you had dozens of wrestling magazines that covered all the territories. But now, you are a few clicks away from finding things that took time and money to find.

Is this IWC supposed to be smarter to the business? Probably more so than fans of 20 years ago, but I think this really is a "depends" sort of thing. You can go on the internet and look up what certain lingo is supposed to mean. There are more ex-wrestlers out there writing commentaries on the industry, or open about answering questions about what happened at certain events or their views of what is right or wrong in wrestling. Instead of being exposed to only the matches that you see at your local territory or on TV, you can more easily find matches from almost any promotion around the world, much more easily. Fans today aren't going to accept the kind of matches the WWE was putting together in the first two Wrestlemanias.

At the same time, there will always be much about the business itself that will likely not be widely exposed. It's not like anyone comes out of wrestling school knowing everything they need to know about the business either. Maybe enough to start recognizing things like the ways that one wrestler is carrying someone that's green.

This is why I bristle at the term IWC like it's really anything, much less something special.

There are fans. They like what they like, they hate what they don't.

So I see fans as being like those of any other form of entertainment, be it music or comics. The masses are going to like what's most widely available. The WWE is akin to a big mainstream movie, or like a Batman comic, or a Justin Bieber or Metallica album. They are all recognizable brands to almost everyone, and there is a huge audience that digs that stuff. Then you have the more trendy types, maybe they want to reject anything popular for the sake of seeming different. Maybe they just don't like what the mainstream stuff represents. So they gravitate towards ROH or Chikara. Some of it is top notch stuff, some of it is an abomination to old-school wrestling fans. The same applies to music or movies, some do prefer to lesser known stuff for various reasons. Maybe it's a more informed opinion, maybe it's not. But for whatever reason, it appeals to them. Then you get the super hardcore guy, the small minority that have their finger on everything. They know all the small bands that are just starting out in Pittsburgh, they watch the movies that only make it into a few art houses, or don't even get very good DVD or streaming distribution. They watch wrestling promotions that are done out of airplane hangers. But they also know the mainstream stuff, know a great deal of history of whatever form of entertainment they're into. In essence, nerds for whatever they are into.

My opinion on where Bischoff has gone wrong is in thinking there's some mean little IWC that's voicing their opinions about wrestling. It's nothing new amongst fans. And it's not just limited to the super-fan that prefers "indy" rasslin'. All the internet has done is provide a forum for a lot more people, informed or not, to voice when they like or don't like what they're seeing.

Any time you put something out there, someone's not going to like it. Doesn't matter how good it may be, someone is going to call it shit. By the same token, if it's the drizzling shits, or if you really screw up for real, someone's going to call you on your bullshit.

So I don't really know. All sorts of people engage in conversations on the WWE Universe pages, don't they? They engage on Twitter, Facebook, etc. Anyone can and probably has at one point peeked at a dirt sheet.

Super fans though? I don't know, it's anyone's guess, and probably varies depending on the popularity of wrestling at any given time. I'd say a very small percentage.
 

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10 percent woulda been accurate 10 years ago but now id say its around 20 percent or wwe and tna but rohs audience is probably 75 percent iwc.
 

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My guess is that its grown immensely over the last five years, but an earlier comparison pretty much summed it up. Typically in a televised arena there's about 10-20% of people I assume are from the IWC with their signs and chants.
 

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No way is it that big...

10% and theres around 4 1/2 million people who watch Raw, so thats saying 450k people on the IWC at least?

You could add up all the active members on every wrestling forum and I doubt it'd touch 10k....you'd have to include all the people who talk wrestling on Twitter and the Youtube weirdos to boost that.
 

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Around 15%.

I know irl around 4-5 people in Prague that watch wrestling, all of them check the dirt-sheets and the internet overall, you might get surprised, there's a huge wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH and even the indies like CZW, DGUSA n stuff) fanbase over here in Czech and Slovakia (see: Lubaninho, Awesome Miz, Chriss..). As a person who watched wrestling before I moved to Europe, I was kinda surprised about how many people were fans. But, worldwide, I'd say that the IWC is about 25% of the wrestling fans. In the arenas, around 10-15%.
 

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The hardest part about figuring out how big the IWC is, is finding out what to compare it to. I think Cork using how many people watch Raw weekly is good, and that would probably make it around 10%. TNA is a different story, their percentage is probably a good bit higher, but as for WWE fans who are part of the IWC, there's not as many as you think.
 

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Let's see, when Christian won the title on Smackdown, the ratings gained about a 10% larger audience then usual.

Let's face it, the IWC doesn't make a dent in the overall WWE audience.
 

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If the IWC is defined as anyone that reads wrestling news websites then I think 10% may be a little bit too high. If the IWC is defined by people that post on wrestling forums then the figure of 10% is way too high. I think that people over estimate how large the IWC actually is, they are very vocal but there still aren't that many in the IWC. That is why WWE have made a mistake in making so many decision based on what the IWC does and says. Who cares if somehow the IWC finds out that a title change is scheduled to occur, don't change the decision just to trick the IWC. Have faith that you have made the right booking decision and go ahead with it.