Gotta love Scott

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Tsaalyo Phoenix

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Mr. Mark, I was talking about WORLD title reigns. You know, the main event? Nobody cares about the Intercontinental title. Also, the early years DO matter, because they show that when he dumped Chyna and started wooing Steph, waddya know, he broke into the main event and never left.
 

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Sounds like the gasser is munching on sour grapes :smh It's not anyones fault that the fans were all over him like Blue on rice when he came back. He was boring, and his matches were shitastic.
 

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Lets try to be civil for a moment here, from watching/listening to a variety of shoots lately, I've learned that there are two camps of wrestling idols (to the wrestlers themselves). Those who appreciate workrate more than drawing ability, and vice versa.

Those who generally love Flair/HHH/HBK appreciate workrate.

Those who love Hogan/Austin/Rock place higher esteem on drawing ability.

Both aspects are important to Pro-Wrestling, except they appeal to different fans, the mainstream vs. the Hardcore. Mick Foley has said that he enjoys when he began to lose mainstream favor, because the fans who approached him often knew more about his legacy and wrestling pre-Attitude Era. Steiner apparently would rather preach the money makers than wrestlers, and given his own wrestling ability post-1990, it should be easy to understand why.


I don't care if what he says is fact or just an opinion, Steiner cracks me up, i love this guy's rants...He's almost on Warrior's level.
 

CenaMark54

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Mr. Mark, I was talking about WORLD title reigns. You know, the main event? Nobody cares about the Intercontinental title. Also, the early years DO matter, because they show that when he dumped Chyna and started wooing Steph, waddya know, he broke into the main event and never left.

I WAS talking about world titles. The cold hard truth is that he won the WWE championship SEVEN times before he married Stephanie.

WWE titles
1999: 2 times
2000: 2 times
2001: 0 times
2002: 3 times

Thats 7 titles in the 4 years prior to marrying Steph

Since then;

WHC titles:
2003: 1 time
2004: 1 time
2005: 1 time
WWE titles
2007: 1 time
2008: 1 time

Thats 5 world titles in the 5 plus years he has been married to Stephanie. He alsmost won as many when he was with Chyna in 1999 and 2000. Is Chyna Vince's daughter too?
 

This Guy

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I love how he totally didn't try to argue my point about Triple H carrying the show as champion before dating stephanie. Your arguement is weak Roxxi. Triple H earned his spot. Just because he married the bosses daughter to keep it doesn't mean he didn't earn it in the first place.
 

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Just to go back on what Scott said in the interview for a second:

I think the real truth, like in so many other instances...lies somewhere in the middle. I don't doubt that Flair was manipulative and cutthroat in his heyday, but probably no more than anyone else would've been in his spot at the time. It was the nature of the business then and still is to this day. He has helped some guys out over the years no doubt, and I'm sure he has buried some guys as well *Cough* Stone Cold *Cough*. Nobody stays on top as long as a guy like Flair without getting some blood on his hands. I do find it a bit hard to believe that after all that Flair had to say about Wahoo McDaniel in his book, that Wahoo secretly hated Flair. Might be some miscommunication. Might be outright lies on one side or another.

His thoughts on Hogan: Hell, if Flair was manipulative and political back then, than Hogan at very best, was no better than he was. I think he may be biased because Hogan was his meal ticket in early and mid 90s WWE. He'd probably be kissing ass on anyone else who would've filled arenas for him and his brother back then. Same thing with Kurt Angle, he's TNA's top draw and will remain so until his career with them ends, so of COURSE he's gonna talk him up.

Michaels: Well, being a great sports entertainer doesn't necessarily make you a legit tough guy, nor does NOT being one take away from being a great sports entertainer. So Steiner's personal opinions on the man are kind of irrelevant. He called The Big Show a crybaby, for christ's sake, who DOESN'T think that Show (especially now with the benefit of some boxing training) could flatten Steiner into pizza dough if he really wanted to, crying or not? It's such a caveman mentality.

Triple H: I've said it before I dislike Trips so I'm biased, and the backstage story about him and Angle is hilarious, if true...cause I do believe Angle (at least back then) could own Triple H in a shoot fight, one way or another. That said, it's a bit of the pot calling the kettle black if he's gonna call favortism on HHH for being the boss's son in law (though it is) considering how tight he was with Vince Russo in WCW and how that benefited his career (not a direct comparison, of course, but both scenarios still ended in each becoming World champions.).

At the end of the day, it's Steiner blowing off steam....
 

CenaMark54

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I will agree with one thing.....Anyone who says Flair is a greater Pro Wrestler than Hogan is smoking crack.

Most likely the people saying Flair is better than Hogan actually had Hulkamania T Shirts back in the 80's and had no idea who Flair was until the 90's.
 

Soulpower

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I will agree with one thing.....Anyone who says Flair is a greater Pro Wrestler than Hogan is smoking crack.

YOU"RE ON CRACK!! Flair is the better pro wrestler of the two. Now, Hogan is by FAR the better entertainer of the two, which more often than not is worth more than being the better pro wrestler.
 

CenaMark54

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I will agree with one thing.....Anyone who says Flair is a greater Pro Wrestler than Hogan is smoking crack.

YOU"RE ON CRACK!! Flair is the better pro wrestler of the two. Now, Hogan is by FAR the better entertainer of the two, which more often than not is worth more than being the better pro wrestler.

Entertainment is the biggest part of being a pro wrestler. Flair would have just been another guy if he wasn't entertaining. Same with Hogan. It just so happens that Hogan was more entertaining than Flair.

The Rock was another. Just like Hogan, he was average at best in the ring, but he brought the intangibles.

Sure, Flair was better in the ring than Hogan and the Rock, but that doesn't make him the better professional wrestler.

That's right, I'm saying the Rock was better too. As was Austin.

Hogan
Austin
Rock
Flair

In that order.

But thats just one man's opinion. Some people value other aspects more than I do. I loved Hogan in the 80's and I loved Austin and the Rock in the 90's. Flair just never did it for me.
 

Soulpower

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See, I like to separate the two.

Flair=More of a pro wrestler than an entertainer
Hogan=Much more of an entertainer than a pro wrestler
The Rock=Similar to Hogan, but better than Hulk as a Pro Wrestler
Stone Cold=Unique hybrid that somehow managed to be incredibly entertaining, while at the same time being a damn good pro wrestler.

Its why in my book... Austin > Anyone else.
 

Qwake

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^ damn straight!

Lets put it this way, back in the day HHH was like Mr Kennedy or MVP. He was awesome on the Mic and was pretty good in ring and was really over wether he was heel or face. HHH deserved his first couple of titles and the DX push, but as the years went on He began to lose his in-ring skills imo. Now the only way he can get a couple more titles and get in the HOF is because he is making Vince some grandkids...Therefore HHH will win 17 world titles and take flairs record :smh It is pat HHH's time so yeah, btw, Steiner is a roid head but he is funny :p

If I was Mickie James or Melina I would be trying to get into Shane instantly! (Too bad Cena got to him first :shifty:)