Girls, Girls, Girls! Fix the Diva's Division, Please!

[Aids Johnson]

That avatar really drives the message home. You've got my backing, OP. :bodallas:

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Thing is: There's a market for it - it's debatable how small it is - and WWE has 3 hours to kill. If you don't care about womens' wrestling and never will? Fine, as long as it's not a detriment to your enjoyment of the show like it currently is.

I'm with Majour with the quickest fix: Kill the division... at least temporarily. Keep some girls around as valets if you want, but just rip the womens' matches off TV after Wrestlemania. The fans will remember whenever they're sitting through the undercard garbage of the show, and during the doldrums of the summertime, the discussion will constantly come up (hell, it is now). "Remember when the Divas were here instead of Adam Rose vs Fandango? We may not have cared but... Ya know, they are awesome on NXT and half-naked women, that's better than this!"

Eventually bring it back with SERIOUS vignettes. Good WWE video packages, with an emphasis on competition. Push the quality talent with serious storylines with enough time to at least make an attempt to make the fans feel like there's something actually worth watching going on in the ring (Seriously, why would you treat ANYTHING on your own show like it isn't worth watching?). No more "chick" storylines, treat them like regular people. Emphasize some of the stuff you can do with women and not with men - see Bayley and Sasha. Give Cameron, Eva Marie, and Rosa their walking papers.

The problem is, from there, we venture into the "yeah it's not like the guys don't have these problems too lol" section.

I think a problem with letting women get more serious matches and angles is a lot of people don't want to see violent shit happening by/to women. I know it is why I don't really enjoy women's MMA. So if you have serious storylines leading to matches being worked like men work them, no thank you. I don't want to see spots or bumps involving chicks, I'm just going to find myself more worried for their well being. I can recall specifically the feeling seeing some of the brutal bumps between Taryn and Gail in their series of matches.

That said, Bubba Ray power bombing May Young through a table is one of my favorite things ever, so maybe I'm just trippin

 

[Wacokid27]

There is a segment of the audience that wants to see good women wrestling. I don't know how sizable it is (I'm not running a focus group on the subject either).

The first step you have to take if you want to fix the problem is to solidify the line between Diva valets and Diva in-ring performers (not saying you can't have a "catfight" or something between valets or even valets and in-ring performers, but a non Divas wrestler carrying the title is not really something you want). Some of the Divas should be wrestling (AJ, Paige, Nattie, Brie, Alicia), but others should just be valets (Nikki, Cameron, Eva Marie). There's nothing wrong with that role. As D'Z mentioned earlier, it can be a very profitable one and they could benefit other talent by acting like managers. Look at Lana....okay, now stop staring, that's creepy. But, she's come into the WWE and acted purely as a valet and she's done very well. In fact, I think she needs to expand her "client base", but I've thought the use of valets/managers has been really hurt in the modern era and I also think that the only way to get back to having good managers is to have more than two or three of them.

Right now, Nattie is walking Cesaro/Kidd to the ring and it's working well. She's one of the few that really can put on a good match but she can play both roles well. She would be one of the exceptions.

Once you've put the belt on somebody who can wrestle and wrestle well (I'd put it back on AJ or Paige....or have Charlotte pull the same kind of thing Paige did last year and show up and challenge Nikki and have her blow it off and grant the challenge, just to have Charlotte shock her and become Divas Champion...I know it's "been done", but it would do the job this time, too...besides, it's not like we're getting a lot of good, original, high-quality writing in the Divas division right now anyway). You need a good feuding pair to build the division around. I think you could have AJ (I don't know her contract situation and, considering who she's married to, I don't know how that plays out into her career) and Paige for a while and throw in Nattie and Charlotte and Naomi (I think that's the Funkadactyl that can actually wrestle). You're going to be bringing in Sasha Banks and Bayley and Becky Lynch soon enough, anyway. Leave the others to manage/valet.

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5. Profit

The fact of the matter is we got spoiled during the AE (and a little later) by having a decent number of Divas that could both wrestle and valet (Trish, Lita, Mickie) and there probably are a few on the roster who have that capability now (I've already mentioned Nattie, but AJ and Naomi can valet, so could Paige), but the division's been watered down not by female wrestlers who can't valet well, but by valets who can't wrestle well.

Then, like most of WWE, somebody's going to have to get in there who understands story structure and doesn't have an ego about who's on top or who "should be" the number one guy and who can just write well.

wk

 

[Trip in the Head]

There's already a thread regarding this post of yours, bruh. https://wweforums.net/threads/aj-calls-out-stephanie-mcmahon.42431/

Fine - I'll delete the post then. I looked and didn't see it. Must have missed it.

 

[EvilBlackCat]

Women's wrestling doesn't make money. 9 out of 10 fans watching at home or live don't want to see it. I've said it before, women's wrestling logically shouldn't be a thing, really. There isn't much of a market for it. A very tiny niche market I suppose, but if you fall into that category check out one of the women's promotions that @Snowman assures me are so great.

I made a big thread a while back on why WWE should stop pretending to care about women's wrestling and go back to using them like they did in the 80s/early 90s and just have them around as GFs/Valets that can be used to advance a storyline, can't find it now doe.

Let's be real, someone like Miss Elizabeth being involved in a Hogan/Macho feud brought more eyes to WWF than any females actually wrestling ever did.

edit: found it! https://wweforums.net/threads/at-th...this-is-how-you-use-women-in-wrestling.21697/

I actually would be okay with that. I think they need more managers/valets and such because some of these guys need someone else to do the talking for them and the story lines are always great. On top of that I wouldn't have to feel embarrassed whenever the girls come out to "wrestle".

Also, I appreciate the information about other promotions for ladies wrestling and I'll be sure to check them out.

 

[Messiah1]

Like some in this thread said, SHINE or Shimmer would be the best place to watch woman's wrestling... The woman in WWE can't fix the divas division, WWE has to do that.. WWE will never focus much attention on woman's wrestling and they shouldn't, they've always been a male dominated company and that won't change simply because the guys make the most money for them. Female wrestling fans have other company's they can watch for the woman.

 

[Danielson]

Couple reasons why divas matches don't bother me. Naiomi and Natalya do neat stuff. I'm positive some aspire to be a wwe diva/woman wrestler. Raw is three hours and there is plenty of time to kill and my ff button works fine. During ppv a diva match is perfect snack/bathroom break. I find myself watching their matches lately. Paige and Niki particularly are physical toward one another and I find it to be good wrestling

 

[Jacob Fox]

Also you say you do not want sexism in the womens area of wrestling let you have a avatar a 15 year old schoolboy would have, are you really a female?

That's my sister and I can pretty much guarantee that she is either female or our family is a lot more confused than I generally give us credit for. Also, having an avatar of a girl with huge boobs is hardly sexist. By saying there is/was sexism in wrestling, I am sure she meant the portrayal of women wrestlers being dependent upon male counterparts or being seen as less than the male counterparts. Sexism is discrimination, not finding a girl a with big boobs attractive. Miss Elizabeth crying throughout matches was sexist. That's sort of why I grew up LOVING Sensational Sherri. I loved a girl that was known for beating up on men.

Women's wrestling played a nice role in the 1980s. Hell, WWF even had a women's tag championship for a while. For a great tag match, at the first Royal Rumble, the Jumping Bomb Angels had a great match. Fortunately there are places that take it much more seriously than WWE, and this will likely always be the case.

 

[Roadster]

I have no hope for women's wrestling, in the mainstream at least. Even the most intense (male) watchers of women's wrestling, usually, pay more attention to the bodies than the actual match. On the other hand, you have WWE who spoon fed ass naked women for nearly 12 years to these guys, and you have a horrible situation to get out of. The people watching WWE's Divas Division are expecting the big breasts and ass, which gives WWE a one-way road. You feed the looks to the majority and talent comes second. I have a longer theory/idea of what to do with the female talent, but that's too long to explain.