i loved the ministry with the devil look on the undertaker and it became better when it was corporate ministry
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Without a doubt, the original Four Horsemen (although the next two incarnations were pretty damned fantastic as well). They personified the whole period of time period in which they originated. They were the personification of evil. Sneak attacks on Dusty Rhodes, Lex Luger, or whoever else challenged them. They lived the lifestyle outside the ring as well (to keep up the kayfabe). With Ric Flair and Arn Anderson as mouthpieces, you couldn't ask for better interviews. Flair was a talent unparalleled and Arn was only a step or two behind. Ole was older, but held his own and Tully blossomed into a fine scientific wrestler and brawler as well. Each man fit his role. Ric was top dog. Unchallenged. Everyone else was a champ (TV or Tag) and they all were there to protect Ric, but each other as well. Total 3 Musketeers mentality (all for one and one for all).
The original NWO and the Hart Foundation come right in behind the Horsemen. Just the Hogan/Hall/Nash combo was fantastic. When they started adding too many people, it just lost my interest. When it was just the three of them (and even as they added a few members), it was great! The Hart Foundation was great. I only wish they had been around longer. I would have loved to see where this whole thing went. The nationalistic wars were great! When in America, they were booed mercilessly and the rest of Raw roster was cheered. In Canada, it was the other way around. Classic!
An honorable mention goes to the original Dangerous Alliance. With Paul E. at the helm, look at the roster: Arn Anderson, Steve Austin, and Rick Rude. (And Larry Zbyszko, Bobby Eaton, and Madusa.) The U.S. Champ, T.V. Champ, and Tag Team Champs. Their overall run was short, but, it could have been big if done correctly. (Same as the Hollywood Blondes. Poor Steve Austin. Think of what he COULD have been. HAHA)
The original NWO and the Hart Foundation come right in behind the Horsemen. Just the Hogan/Hall/Nash combo was fantastic. When they started adding too many people, it just lost my interest. When it was just the three of them (and even as they added a few members), it was great! The Hart Foundation was great. I only wish they had been around longer. I would have loved to see where this whole thing went. The nationalistic wars were great! When in America, they were booed mercilessly and the rest of Raw roster was cheered. In Canada, it was the other way around. Classic!
An honorable mention goes to the original Dangerous Alliance. With Paul E. at the helm, look at the roster: Arn Anderson, Steve Austin, and Rick Rude. (And Larry Zbyszko, Bobby Eaton, and Madusa.) The U.S. Champ, T.V. Champ, and Tag Team Champs. Their overall run was short, but, it could have been big if done correctly. (Same as the Hollywood Blondes. Poor Steve Austin. Think of what he COULD have been. HAHA)
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I couldn't really decide on which one is the greatest but in terms of dominance I'm going with Evoulution...
Triple H: 4 WHC Titles
Ric Flair: 2 World Tag Team Titles
Randy Orton: 1 Interecontinal Title
Batista: 2 World Tag Team Titles (WHC if you count WM 21)
'Nuff said...
Triple H: 4 WHC Titles
Ric Flair: 2 World Tag Team Titles
Randy Orton: 1 Interecontinal Title
Batista: 2 World Tag Team Titles (WHC if you count WM 21)
'Nuff said...
Great One
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evolution did alot for the wrestling biz and it helped batista become more known and becoem a better wreltser but these days he has thrown it all way but still with randy orton triple H and ric flair they all benifited from evolution and it was always great seeing them in the ring and out side the ring but to bad they broke up R.I.P evolution
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I'm really praying for a reuniting Evolution in 2007 or 2008, if Flair is hopefully still around. 
My original idea was to make it all again, BUT this time, have Orton the center piece, Orton would hold the title, with Triple H still kind of the big guy organizing everything, Flair interferring in everything, and as for Batista, the most confusing, the angle should be Batista agreeing to only join if he's recognized as the best or something, but he kind of ends up being the bitch and HHH/Flair/Orton throw him down to just being the enforcer. Slowly, as time progresses everyone gets title shots (including HHH/Flair) vs. Orton except like Batista and he gets pissed and starts revolting against Evolution, in the end he turns on them again and that would be the boost he needs to get over again with the crowd. Dunno, just rambling, but something like that and eventually Evolution reuniting on RAW.
My original idea was to make it all again, BUT this time, have Orton the center piece, Orton would hold the title, with Triple H still kind of the big guy organizing everything, Flair interferring in everything, and as for Batista, the most confusing, the angle should be Batista agreeing to only join if he's recognized as the best or something, but he kind of ends up being the bitch and HHH/Flair/Orton throw him down to just being the enforcer. Slowly, as time progresses everyone gets title shots (including HHH/Flair) vs. Orton except like Batista and he gets pissed and starts revolting against Evolution, in the end he turns on them again and that would be the boost he needs to get over again with the crowd. Dunno, just rambling, but something like that and eventually Evolution reuniting on RAW.
NWO was BIG! But my vote gos to Evolution as it formed my favorite superstar, Batista, and made him into what he is today! And it made some great feuds as it broke to pieces. Triple H vs. Orton. Triple H vs. Batista. And then Triple H vs. Flair. And all of the mebers has now been World Champions!
If we're gonna pile up titles from members.....
Add these up, get out your calculator.
Ric Flair
Arn Anderson
Ole Anderson
Tully Blanchard
Lex Luger
Barry Windham
Sting
Sid Vicious
Paul Roma
Brian Pillman
Chris Benoit
Steve Mcmichael
Jeff Jerrett
Curt Henning
Dean Malenko
For everyone that is too young to know,here's a lil somethin for ya, it's pretty much what all yall wanted in nwo and evolution, about 25 years earlier. Did any of these other groups have this type of longevity? How bout members, who else evolved over long enough period of time to have the caliber and numbers of the Four Horsemen? Nobody, no matter how many dx dvd's they make, no matter how many bodybuilders they turn into wrestlers, there will be only one team that ran over so many for so long, it's the four horsemen, all the others are pretty much flashes in the pan.
[edit] The Original Four Horsemen
The Four Horsemen formed in January 1986 with Flair, the Minnesota Wrecking Crew consisting of Arn and Ole Anderson, and Blanchard, with James J. Dillon as their manager. They feuded with Dusty Rhodes (breaking his arm), The Rock 'N Roll Express (breaking Ricky Morton's nose), Nikita Koloff, and The Road Warriors. They always had most of the titles in the NWA, and they often bragged about their success (in the ring and with women) in their interviews.
The Four Horsemen moniker was not planned from the start. Due to time-constraints at a TV taping, production threw together an impromptu tag team interview of Flair, the Andersons, Blanchard and Dillon. It was during this interview that Arn said something to the effect of "The only time this much havoc had been wreaked by this few a number of people, you need to go all the way back to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse!" Nevertheless, Arn has said in an RF Video shoot interview that he, Flair and Blanchard were as close as anybody could be away from the ring while they were together. They lived the gimmick outside of the arena, as they took limos and jets to the cities they wrestled in. Baby Doll was Flair's valet for a couple of months in 1986.
[edit] Luger and Windham
In February 1987, WCW newcomer Lex Luger was made an associate member of the group after he expressed his desire to become a Horseman. The others started to leave Ole out of things and eventually he was kicked out in favor of Luger. The fact that Ole missed a show to watch his son Brian wrestle was used against Ole in the split as Blanchard and Dillon questioned Ole's loyalty and Tully called Brian a "snot-nosed kid."
During this time, they wrestled Rhodes, Nikita Koloff, the Road Warriors and Paul Ellering in a series of War Games matches. These matches were brutal and ended up with all 5 members of each team in the cage at the end trying to make somebody submit. During the first match, Dillon suffered a separated shoulder from a botched attempt at the Warriors' finishing move, the Doomsday Device. Dillon landed directly on his right arm and shoulder, and was replaced for the series of matches by the masked War Machine.
Luger was kicked out for first blaming Horseman manager J.J. Dillon for costing him the U.S. Title, when his attempt to help him win by cheating backfired, and subsequently, not allowing Dillon to win a Bunkhouse Stampede match as the Horsemen had agreed to among themselves. In January 1988 he teamed with Barry Windham to feud with the Horsemen. The pair even defeated Anderson and Blanchard for the NWA World Tag Team Championship at the inaugural Clash of the Champions. In April 1988, Windham turned on Luger and took his spot in the Horsemen during a title defense against Anderson and Blanchard. This group of Horsemen has been called the greatest as far as technical wrestlers goes. It was also in this year when the Horsemen held all of the major NWA titles at once, with Flair as the World Champion, Windham as the United States Champion, and Arn and Tully as the Tag Team Champions. This feat would not be duplicated until the 2000 reformation of the nWo, which had 7 rather than 4 members: World Champion Bret Hart, United States Champion Jeff Jarrett, and Tag Team Champions the Outsiders Kevin Nash and Scott Hall, along with the belt-less Scott Steiner and Harris twins (Don and Ron). Only the Flair-led Evolution would come close with 4 members with their success at Armageddon 2003.
In September 1988, Arn Anderson and Blanchard left to join the World Wrestling Federation dropping the tag titles at the very last minute to the Midnight Express (Lane and Eaton). Flair, Windham, and Dillon continued to refer to themselves as "the Horsemen" and the NWA even flirted with the idea of bringing in new members. Butch Reed was signed to wrestle solo matches with Dillon as his manager. Then in February 1989, Barry's brother Kendall Windham appeared to have joined them and even held up the 4 fingers after turning on Eddie Gilbert during a tag team match. Then Dillon left to take a front office job with the WWF, and they dropped the Horsemen name, hiring Hiro Matsuda as their new manager. Shortly thereafter, Windham would lose the US Title to Lex Luger and he too would depart for the WWF.
The Horsemen concept helped define the NWA in the mid to late 1980's. The departure of Anderson and Blanchard was huge at the time and despite numerous revivals over the coming decade, things would never quite be the same.
[edit] Sting and Sid Vicious
The Horsemen reformed in December 1989 in the NWA. Flair, Arn & Ole Anderson, and long standing rival Sting formed the group in a shocker. They were faces and feuded with Gary Hart's J-Tex Corporation of Terry Funk, Great Muta, Buzz Sawyer and The Dragonmaster. At the culmination of this feud the group returned to being heels, kicking Sting out for daring to challenge Ric Flair for the World Title. Woman soon became Flair's valet. They feuded with Luger, Sting, Rick Steiner, Scott Steiner and El Gigante during this time.
In May 1990, Ole became the manager and they added Barry Windham and Sid Vicious to fill out the group. They feuded with the Dudes With Attitudes which consisted of Sting, Luger, the Steiner Brothers, Paul Orndorff and Junkyard Dog. By the end of 1990, Ole and Woman left the NWA. Ted Turner had bought Jim Crockett Promotions, the largest faction of the NWA, and turned it into World Championship Wrestling.
In October 1990, another Horsemen legend occurred. Barry Windham dressed up as Sting and attempted to get pinned by Sid Vicious for the WCW World Heavyweight Title. It completely backfired as Sting ended up winning the match.
The Horsemen line-up of Flair, Anderson, Windham and Vicious eventually broke up and went their own ways. In May 1991, Sid left for the WWF. Flair would also join the WWF in August of that year. Windham turned face during a feud with soon-to-be WCW Champion Lex Luger. Anderson started teaming with Larry Zybysko; the duo soon joined Paul E. Dangerously's Dangerous Alliance.
[edit] Three Horsemen
The next incarnation was from March 1993 to December 1993. Flair returned from the WWF to WCW to rejoin Arn and they promised a Horsemen reunion at the Slamboree PPV. WWF jobber Paul Roma had to replace Blanchard who could not work out a contract to show up. Ole was on hand as the adviser but made only one appearance on A Flair for the Gold. This group of Horsemen is considered the weakest group. They were good guys again and feuded with Barry Windham, Steve Austin and Brian Pillman. This group ended with Roma turning on Arn to join Paul Orndorff as the tag team of Pretty Wonderful.
[edit] The 1995-1997 Incarnation
In 1995, Flair and Arn (back to being heels) were teaming with Vader to torment Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage. After Vader lost to Hogan in a steel cage match at Bash at the Beach, Flair entered the cage and lambasted him. Vader snapped and attacked Flair, and Arn came to his rescue. This led to a handicap match at Clash of the Champions XXXI, in which Vader defeated the team of Flair and Arn. Flair and Arn began to bicker, as Arn always felt he was doing Flair's dirty work; a feud developed that led to a match at the Fall Brawl PPV on September 19, 1995 in Asheville, North Carolina. Arn defeated Flair with the help of Brian Pillman. Flair begged Sting to help him against them but he did not trust Flair. After weeks, Sting agreed and Flair ended up turning on him at the Halloween Havoc PPV to reform the Horsemen with Arn and Pillman. They quickly added Chris Benoit to fill out the group. This version of the Horsemen feuded with Hogan, Savage, Sting, and Lex Luger. Flair eventually took Miss Elizabeth and Woman from Hogan and Savage, and they were his valets for the next 6 months.
In early 1996, Pillman started his infamous "Loose Cannon" storyline and started a feud with Kevin Sullivan. He ended up leaving WCW for the WWF in February and Benoit took over to create one of the most talked about feuds of all time. In this feud, Woman (Nancy Daus), who was really married to Sullivan, left him for Benoit. However, life imitated art, as Daus did in fact leave Sullivan for Benoit. This feud got heated and it is a common belief that some of the matches were shoot fights rather than the pre-planned matches.
In June 1996, former football player Steve "Mongo" McMichael turned on Kevin Greene in a "gimmick match" and joined them. Debra was chased to the back by Woman and Elizabeth. She came back with them and a briefcase. Mongo opened it to reveal a shirt and money. He took the case and hit Greene. That gave the group another ringside valet, as Mongo's then-wife Debra came with him. The online rumors pages said that Debra and Woman did not get along behind the scenes. This quickly played out on TV too, as they constantly bickered and Benoit and Mongo would have to step in.
When the nWo invaded WCW in 1996, the Horsemen became babyfaces again to feud with them. Miss Elizabeth left the Horsemen for the nWo.
Flair let Jeff Jarrett join in February 1997 but the others did not want him. He bickered with Mongo over Debra's attention and in July he was kicked out by Flair. Uncharacteristically of the Horsemen, Jarrett was allowed to literally walk away, instead of receiving a classic Horsemen beatdown, as was expected. He eventually took Debra from Mongo but Mongo took Jarrett's United States Title. To this date, amongst fans and members of the Four Horsemen, there is still debate whether to include Jeff Jarrett as a Horsemen. In his biography, Arn Anderson clearly states that "Jeff Jarrett was never a Horseman". His "membership" and his easy departure leaves the situation ambiguous. The Four Horsemen usually pick their own members, but at the time, WCW held extreme control over story lines and this may have forced them to accept a member for those purposes only and not by choice.
In August 1997, Arn Anderson retired due to a neck/back injury that would not allow him to wrestle. Curt Hennig took his spot as "The Enforcer." In September, Hennig turned on the Horsemen and joined the nWo. Flair disbanded the group and they went their separate ways.
[edit] The Final Incarnation
The last incarnation came in September 1998. Dean Malenko and Chris Benoit kept going to Arn about reforming the Horsemen. He kept saying no. James J. Dillon, back in WCW's front office, even made a request. Arn eventually gave in and they reformed the Horsemen with Mongo and Flair and Arn was the manager. They feuded with the nWo and Eric Bischoff, who Flair had some real backstage problems with.
In early 1999, the Horsemen turned heel again. Mongo had recently departed the wrestling world and they were down to Benoit, Malenko, Flair and Arn as the manager. They also had a biased referee for them, Charles Robinson. David Flair started hanging around with Torrie Wilson and Flair had the Horsemen help David keep the US Title that Flair had given to him. Flair was the (onscreen) President of WCW at this time, and had stripped Scott Steiner of the title. Flair started being selfish and ignoring Benoit and Malenko in favor of other wrestlers so they left him in May, which effectively ended the Four Horsemen.
Add these up, get out your calculator.
Ric Flair
Arn Anderson
Ole Anderson
Tully Blanchard
Lex Luger
Barry Windham
Sting
Sid Vicious
Paul Roma
Brian Pillman
Chris Benoit
Steve Mcmichael
Jeff Jerrett
Curt Henning
Dean Malenko
For everyone that is too young to know,here's a lil somethin for ya, it's pretty much what all yall wanted in nwo and evolution, about 25 years earlier. Did any of these other groups have this type of longevity? How bout members, who else evolved over long enough period of time to have the caliber and numbers of the Four Horsemen? Nobody, no matter how many dx dvd's they make, no matter how many bodybuilders they turn into wrestlers, there will be only one team that ran over so many for so long, it's the four horsemen, all the others are pretty much flashes in the pan.
[edit] The Original Four Horsemen
The Four Horsemen formed in January 1986 with Flair, the Minnesota Wrecking Crew consisting of Arn and Ole Anderson, and Blanchard, with James J. Dillon as their manager. They feuded with Dusty Rhodes (breaking his arm), The Rock 'N Roll Express (breaking Ricky Morton's nose), Nikita Koloff, and The Road Warriors. They always had most of the titles in the NWA, and they often bragged about their success (in the ring and with women) in their interviews.
The Four Horsemen moniker was not planned from the start. Due to time-constraints at a TV taping, production threw together an impromptu tag team interview of Flair, the Andersons, Blanchard and Dillon. It was during this interview that Arn said something to the effect of "The only time this much havoc had been wreaked by this few a number of people, you need to go all the way back to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse!" Nevertheless, Arn has said in an RF Video shoot interview that he, Flair and Blanchard were as close as anybody could be away from the ring while they were together. They lived the gimmick outside of the arena, as they took limos and jets to the cities they wrestled in. Baby Doll was Flair's valet for a couple of months in 1986.
[edit] Luger and Windham
In February 1987, WCW newcomer Lex Luger was made an associate member of the group after he expressed his desire to become a Horseman. The others started to leave Ole out of things and eventually he was kicked out in favor of Luger. The fact that Ole missed a show to watch his son Brian wrestle was used against Ole in the split as Blanchard and Dillon questioned Ole's loyalty and Tully called Brian a "snot-nosed kid."
During this time, they wrestled Rhodes, Nikita Koloff, the Road Warriors and Paul Ellering in a series of War Games matches. These matches were brutal and ended up with all 5 members of each team in the cage at the end trying to make somebody submit. During the first match, Dillon suffered a separated shoulder from a botched attempt at the Warriors' finishing move, the Doomsday Device. Dillon landed directly on his right arm and shoulder, and was replaced for the series of matches by the masked War Machine.
Luger was kicked out for first blaming Horseman manager J.J. Dillon for costing him the U.S. Title, when his attempt to help him win by cheating backfired, and subsequently, not allowing Dillon to win a Bunkhouse Stampede match as the Horsemen had agreed to among themselves. In January 1988 he teamed with Barry Windham to feud with the Horsemen. The pair even defeated Anderson and Blanchard for the NWA World Tag Team Championship at the inaugural Clash of the Champions. In April 1988, Windham turned on Luger and took his spot in the Horsemen during a title defense against Anderson and Blanchard. This group of Horsemen has been called the greatest as far as technical wrestlers goes. It was also in this year when the Horsemen held all of the major NWA titles at once, with Flair as the World Champion, Windham as the United States Champion, and Arn and Tully as the Tag Team Champions. This feat would not be duplicated until the 2000 reformation of the nWo, which had 7 rather than 4 members: World Champion Bret Hart, United States Champion Jeff Jarrett, and Tag Team Champions the Outsiders Kevin Nash and Scott Hall, along with the belt-less Scott Steiner and Harris twins (Don and Ron). Only the Flair-led Evolution would come close with 4 members with their success at Armageddon 2003.
In September 1988, Arn Anderson and Blanchard left to join the World Wrestling Federation dropping the tag titles at the very last minute to the Midnight Express (Lane and Eaton). Flair, Windham, and Dillon continued to refer to themselves as "the Horsemen" and the NWA even flirted with the idea of bringing in new members. Butch Reed was signed to wrestle solo matches with Dillon as his manager. Then in February 1989, Barry's brother Kendall Windham appeared to have joined them and even held up the 4 fingers after turning on Eddie Gilbert during a tag team match. Then Dillon left to take a front office job with the WWF, and they dropped the Horsemen name, hiring Hiro Matsuda as their new manager. Shortly thereafter, Windham would lose the US Title to Lex Luger and he too would depart for the WWF.
The Horsemen concept helped define the NWA in the mid to late 1980's. The departure of Anderson and Blanchard was huge at the time and despite numerous revivals over the coming decade, things would never quite be the same.
[edit] Sting and Sid Vicious
The Horsemen reformed in December 1989 in the NWA. Flair, Arn & Ole Anderson, and long standing rival Sting formed the group in a shocker. They were faces and feuded with Gary Hart's J-Tex Corporation of Terry Funk, Great Muta, Buzz Sawyer and The Dragonmaster. At the culmination of this feud the group returned to being heels, kicking Sting out for daring to challenge Ric Flair for the World Title. Woman soon became Flair's valet. They feuded with Luger, Sting, Rick Steiner, Scott Steiner and El Gigante during this time.
In May 1990, Ole became the manager and they added Barry Windham and Sid Vicious to fill out the group. They feuded with the Dudes With Attitudes which consisted of Sting, Luger, the Steiner Brothers, Paul Orndorff and Junkyard Dog. By the end of 1990, Ole and Woman left the NWA. Ted Turner had bought Jim Crockett Promotions, the largest faction of the NWA, and turned it into World Championship Wrestling.
In October 1990, another Horsemen legend occurred. Barry Windham dressed up as Sting and attempted to get pinned by Sid Vicious for the WCW World Heavyweight Title. It completely backfired as Sting ended up winning the match.
The Horsemen line-up of Flair, Anderson, Windham and Vicious eventually broke up and went their own ways. In May 1991, Sid left for the WWF. Flair would also join the WWF in August of that year. Windham turned face during a feud with soon-to-be WCW Champion Lex Luger. Anderson started teaming with Larry Zybysko; the duo soon joined Paul E. Dangerously's Dangerous Alliance.
[edit] Three Horsemen
The next incarnation was from March 1993 to December 1993. Flair returned from the WWF to WCW to rejoin Arn and they promised a Horsemen reunion at the Slamboree PPV. WWF jobber Paul Roma had to replace Blanchard who could not work out a contract to show up. Ole was on hand as the adviser but made only one appearance on A Flair for the Gold. This group of Horsemen is considered the weakest group. They were good guys again and feuded with Barry Windham, Steve Austin and Brian Pillman. This group ended with Roma turning on Arn to join Paul Orndorff as the tag team of Pretty Wonderful.
[edit] The 1995-1997 Incarnation
In 1995, Flair and Arn (back to being heels) were teaming with Vader to torment Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage. After Vader lost to Hogan in a steel cage match at Bash at the Beach, Flair entered the cage and lambasted him. Vader snapped and attacked Flair, and Arn came to his rescue. This led to a handicap match at Clash of the Champions XXXI, in which Vader defeated the team of Flair and Arn. Flair and Arn began to bicker, as Arn always felt he was doing Flair's dirty work; a feud developed that led to a match at the Fall Brawl PPV on September 19, 1995 in Asheville, North Carolina. Arn defeated Flair with the help of Brian Pillman. Flair begged Sting to help him against them but he did not trust Flair. After weeks, Sting agreed and Flair ended up turning on him at the Halloween Havoc PPV to reform the Horsemen with Arn and Pillman. They quickly added Chris Benoit to fill out the group. This version of the Horsemen feuded with Hogan, Savage, Sting, and Lex Luger. Flair eventually took Miss Elizabeth and Woman from Hogan and Savage, and they were his valets for the next 6 months.
In early 1996, Pillman started his infamous "Loose Cannon" storyline and started a feud with Kevin Sullivan. He ended up leaving WCW for the WWF in February and Benoit took over to create one of the most talked about feuds of all time. In this feud, Woman (Nancy Daus), who was really married to Sullivan, left him for Benoit. However, life imitated art, as Daus did in fact leave Sullivan for Benoit. This feud got heated and it is a common belief that some of the matches were shoot fights rather than the pre-planned matches.
In June 1996, former football player Steve "Mongo" McMichael turned on Kevin Greene in a "gimmick match" and joined them. Debra was chased to the back by Woman and Elizabeth. She came back with them and a briefcase. Mongo opened it to reveal a shirt and money. He took the case and hit Greene. That gave the group another ringside valet, as Mongo's then-wife Debra came with him. The online rumors pages said that Debra and Woman did not get along behind the scenes. This quickly played out on TV too, as they constantly bickered and Benoit and Mongo would have to step in.
When the nWo invaded WCW in 1996, the Horsemen became babyfaces again to feud with them. Miss Elizabeth left the Horsemen for the nWo.
Flair let Jeff Jarrett join in February 1997 but the others did not want him. He bickered with Mongo over Debra's attention and in July he was kicked out by Flair. Uncharacteristically of the Horsemen, Jarrett was allowed to literally walk away, instead of receiving a classic Horsemen beatdown, as was expected. He eventually took Debra from Mongo but Mongo took Jarrett's United States Title. To this date, amongst fans and members of the Four Horsemen, there is still debate whether to include Jeff Jarrett as a Horsemen. In his biography, Arn Anderson clearly states that "Jeff Jarrett was never a Horseman". His "membership" and his easy departure leaves the situation ambiguous. The Four Horsemen usually pick their own members, but at the time, WCW held extreme control over story lines and this may have forced them to accept a member for those purposes only and not by choice.
In August 1997, Arn Anderson retired due to a neck/back injury that would not allow him to wrestle. Curt Hennig took his spot as "The Enforcer." In September, Hennig turned on the Horsemen and joined the nWo. Flair disbanded the group and they went their separate ways.
[edit] The Final Incarnation
The last incarnation came in September 1998. Dean Malenko and Chris Benoit kept going to Arn about reforming the Horsemen. He kept saying no. James J. Dillon, back in WCW's front office, even made a request. Arn eventually gave in and they reformed the Horsemen with Mongo and Flair and Arn was the manager. They feuded with the nWo and Eric Bischoff, who Flair had some real backstage problems with.
In early 1999, the Horsemen turned heel again. Mongo had recently departed the wrestling world and they were down to Benoit, Malenko, Flair and Arn as the manager. They also had a biased referee for them, Charles Robinson. David Flair started hanging around with Torrie Wilson and Flair had the Horsemen help David keep the US Title that Flair had given to him. Flair was the (onscreen) President of WCW at this time, and had stripped Scott Steiner of the title. Flair started being selfish and ignoring Benoit and Malenko in favor of other wrestlers so they left him in May, which effectively ended the Four Horsemen.
CenaMark54
Guest
I'm a huge Evolution mark, however, how anyone can vote for them over the horseman or NWO is beyond me.
I voted horseman.
I voted horseman.
CenaMark54
Guest
What did Flair or HHH gain from Evolution exactly? The only one to gain anything was Batista. Evolution made a terrible wrestler into a terrible wrestler who is extremely over. Evolution built Orton up only to completely bury him one month later. It made Flair look like an errand boy and HHH would have held the belt regardless of his involvement in Evolution.
