Dixie and Foley at RAW, what?

[nation]

Firstly, I asked your QUESTIONS in order to provoke you to think further about your comments.

I didn't STATE the Bischoff took down WCW BUT ask yourself why he was even taken out of the drivers seat to begin with.... I don't recall all the detail cos it was just fail after fail after fail.

Until you KNOW(*) what you're talking about, you're just being a blind Bischoff mark.

(*And, no, I'm not saying I do.)

I'm not a blind Bischoff mark, I certainly don't see TNA competing with the WWE anywhere even in this next ten years and even if he can turn it around, it will take quite some time.

Your embarrasing yourself.... Just like Jeff has been an embarrasment for TNA for the best part of this run.

Shame you can't ask Sting what he thinks about that wonderful bit of 'progress'.....

I never said he didn't fuck up, obviously he did. I don't think he was amazing as a heel by any means but in terms of their product, it was one of the better things going.

Stick with KNOWLEDGE, not assumption.

Aa much detail as I've managed to gather (including watching a RF shoot with Dixie herself) tells me that Hogan & Biscoff only answerable to Dixie.

Russo does the writing and Bischoff edits it. You just revealed the problem itself. He answers to Dixie Carter..... She needs to step down and let him take control or someone, anyone really.

That sounds HIGHLY unproffesional to me when you've got millions of dollars of SOMEONE ELSE'S money at stake... Smart idea, give a guy like that TOTAL control of your company.

I never said it wasn't unprofessional. It seems quite clear he could do more but he either doesn't have enough power or he doesn't want to do more for a company he doesn't run. It still beats letting Dixie fucking Carter run your company so I don't see the point in your statement, Lol.

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

Bisch as as much at fault for WCW's demise if not more so than Russo. Everything went to shit under Bisch's watch, Russo just hammered the final nails in the coffin, but at least Vince attempted to push different and younger talent which is 75% of the reason WCW went to shit unde Eric.








Just though id throw that out there.

 

[Hometown Kid]

WCW actually wasn't that bad the last two months in '01 ater they sent the old guys home, and the future looked relatively bright before the AOL guys pushed them out of their TV slots.

 

[Airfixx]

^^^Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Kevin Sullivan booking in the dying days?

I'm not a blind Bischoff mark, I certainly don't see TNA competing with the WWE anywhere even in this next ten years and even if he can turn it around, it will take quite some time.

You are blindly marking for him in the sense that you're championing his management skills with out any significant knowledge or insight into them.

I never said he didn't fuck up, obviously he did. I don't think he was amazing as a heel by any means but in terms of their product, it was one of the better things going.

Let me remind you that you cited Jeff Hardy's heel push to illustrate a significantly positive contribution of the Hogan/Bischoff era.

Considering how much more shit TNA became, almost overnight, if that's all the 'good' you can counter with then that's an entirely pathetic reflection on Bisch & Hogan.

TNA were actually in a little 'purple patch' prior to their arrival.

Russo does the writing and Bischoff edits it. You just revealed the problem itself. He answers to Dixie Carter..... She needs to step down and let him take control or someone, anyone really.

No that ISN'T the problem cos as the WCW debacle proves, Bischoff isn't the business man you think he is.

I never said it wasn't unprofessional.

...But you still think someone with that kind of attitude towards their employer's money should be given the reins & purse strings to TNA.

Riiiiiiiiight! :roll:

It seems quite clear he could do more

Maybe you could illustrate this, but beacuse to the majority of the people reading this thread it will be anything but clear!

but he either doesn't have enough power or he doesn't want to do more for a company he doesn't run.

So he's not a team player and it's all about ego and who's in charge then. They are not the traits of a so-called creative (or business) genius.

It still beats letting Dixie fucking Carter run your company

Unless you can define and quantify what Dixie does then that's just more blind marking for Bischoff.

so I don't see the point in your statement, Lol.

I'm glad you find humour in your failure. Now go jerk off over a copy of 'Controversy Creates Cash'.....

 

[Hometown Kid]

Sullivan took over after Russo got fired in early 2000, was so bad he got taken back like 2 months later for Russo, lmao. The last booker I believe was Terry Taylor, but I wouldn't stake my reputation on that or anything.

*Wasn't trying to defend Russo in my previous post, just saying WCW might have recovered if they hadn't got cancelled, and the guy who was responsible for that was at least as much of a WCW-killer as the other two.

 

[Airfixx]

Sullivan took over after Russo got fired in early 2000, was so bad he got taken back like 2 months later for Russo, lmao.

Hehehe... What a career marker eh?

My mistake tho'.... I knew he'd booked later day WCW for a while. I think I may have been getting confused with him talking in one of those Guest Booker vids about how he would have saved WCW..... His major PPV that it all lead to..... Sid vs Hogan. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wasn't trying to defend Russo in my previous post, just saying WCW might have recovered if they hadn't got cancelled, and the guy who was responsible for that was at least as much of a WCW-killer as the other two.

...Always seems fair and objective to put Time Warner's name in the mix too, and the fact that ultimately they didn't want a wrestling show on their portfolio.

 

[nation]

You are blindly marking for him in the sense that you're championing his management skills with out any significant knowledge or insight into them.

Nah, he was running the show in WCW for years during one of it's best periods. I'm not "blindly marking for him". Put Heyman in charge, with his workers actually getting paid he would do wonders. Either one of them beats Dixie leading the company.

Let me remind you that you cited Jeff Hardy's heel push to illustrate a significantly positive contribution of the Hogan/Bischoff era.

Considering how much more shit TNA became, almost overnight, if that's all the 'good' you can counter with then that's an entirely pathetic reflection on Bisch & Hogan.

TNA were actually in a little 'purple patch' prior to their arrival.

You always make assumptions. I never said TNA wasn't better off before. They were doing big things with Daniels until he fucked over when Bisch & Hogan took over. Hardy's "Anti-Christ" shit was pretty good but he should have been booked better. Either way they were making progress and trying new things until he fucked it all up.

No that ISN'T the problem cos as the WCW debacle proves, Bischoff isn't the business man you think he is.

Oh, so beating RAW for 84 weeks(while Bischoff was running the show) shows he is a bad business man? ROFL. Before you ask, no, I don't think he is some genius but he clearly has plenty of experience. It is the fucking problem and everyone knows it. I won't ever bother defending that it is the problem because it obviously is. The company will be much better off with anyone in charge instead of her.

...But you still think someone with that kind of attitude towards their employer's money should be given the reins & purse strings to TNA.

Riiiiiiiiight! :roll:

Who gives a shit. Do you even understand business? Apparently not. What matters is making money and turning their company around. Whether or not the person in charge of the company has a nice attitude or not means fuck all, when it's about making money.

Maybe you could illustrate this, but beacuse to the majority of the people reading this thread it will be anything but clear!

He clearly isn't running the company? He could do more if he was and he was calling all the shots? Seems pretty common sense to me.......

So he's not a team player and it's all about ego and who's in charge then. They are not the traits of a so-called creative (or business) genius.

Again, I never said he was but clearly he has the experience to do something.

Unless you can define and quantify what Dixie does then that's just more blind marking for Bischoff.

She RUNS the company. That is self explanatory. If Bischoff has an idea and she turns it down, it doesn't happen.

I'm glad you find humour in your failure. Now go jerk off over a copy of 'Controversy Creates Cash'.....

I already did :/