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Shane McMahon never disappoints when he's booked in a match. Whether it be taking dangerous bumps or just having a great wrestling bout with someone like Styles. I respect the hustle of an almost 50 year old non-wrestler to still entertain people on that level
 

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Shane McMahon never disappoints when he's booked in a match. Whether it be taking dangerous bumps or just having a great wrestling bout with someone like Styles. I respect the hustle of an almost 50 year old non-wrestler to still entertain people on that level
Watch him fighting Randy Orton, and then we can run this back.
 

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Watch him fighting Randy Orton, and then we can run this back.
the argument was not so much about saying that he's the one who makes the matches great and that he could make it work with anyone, but more about the fact that he can hang in there and contribute. Even in Styles/Owens where he was just the special ref, they managed to make that their most interesting match out of the whole feud and I do believe that Shane's involvement made the crowd care way more than back when Owens and Styles just had god awful normal matches
 

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the argument was not so much about saying that he's the one who makes the matches great and that he could make it work with anyone, but more about the fact that he can hang in there and contribute. Even in Styles/Owens where he was just the special ref, they managed to make that their most interesting match out of the whole feud and I do believe that Shane's involvement made the crowd care way more than back when Owens and Styles just had god awful normal matches
I do love Shane O'Mac a hell of a lot, but nowadays I feel like his involvement in matches is not needed. I'll admit, I was shocked and proven wrong when he was against Styles or Owens in a match. The reason I don't want him in matches is because, as you mentioned, he's nearly 50, and him doing the shit he does could be horrible for his wife and children. A special ref, yeah he can go right ahead with stuff like that but whenever he wrestles I almost shit myself everytime.
 

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I do love Shane O'Mac a hell of a lot, but nowadays I feel like his involvement in matches is not needed. I'll admit, I was shocked and proven wrong when he was against Styles or Owens in a match. The reason I don't want him in matches is because, as you mentioned, he's nearly 50, and him doing the shit he does could be horrible for his wife and children. A special ref, yeah he can go right ahead with stuff like that but whenever he wrestles I almost shit myself everytime.
I mean, saying that shit could go wrong could happen to anyone.. age doesn't really make that much of a difference there. But I guess I just don't see it like that, especially nowadays they always make sure that the big spots are planned in advance and that they're executed as safely as possible. Also, look at this man, he's 48 and ripped to the bone.. he's probably in better physical shape than half of the roster (as it's in a McMahon's DNA to be in a gym twice a day until the day they die), so his age almost isn't even a factor to me when I watch him perform
 

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I mean, saying that shit could go wrong could happen to anyone.. age doesn't really make that much of a difference there. But I guess I just don't see it like that, especially nowadays they always make sure that the big spots are planned in advance and that they're executed as safely as possible. Also, look at this man, he's 48 and ripped to the bone.. he's probably in better physical shape than half of the roster (as it's in a McMahon's DNA to be insanely healthy), so his age almost isn't even a factor to me when I watch him perform
You can definitely see his age affecting him. He moves a lot slower now. And no matter how fit you are, age will play a factor, him being older just makes him more susceptible to a serious injury, moreso than the other members of the roster (not that they don't, it'll just effect them less). And taking a drop from basically the roof will fuck you up no matter what, you can see the last two times killed him.
 

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You can definitely see his age affecting him. He moves a lot slower now. And no matter how fit you are, age will play a factor, him being older just makes him more susceptible to a serious injury, moreso than the other members of the roster (not that they don't, it'll just effect them less). And taking a drop from basically the roof will fuck you up no matter what, you can see the last two times killed him.
I guess you got a point.. still, I think at times he deserves a bit more appreciation for the things he does for us, the viewers. Because at the end of the day, he doesn't need to prove anything to the people in the back nor does he have a real wrestling career to build. He legit only does this to give back to the audience and that's what I love about it (and the audiences still love to cheer for his crazy ass so that's good too)
 

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I guess you got a point.. still, I think at times he deserves a bit more appreciation for the things he does for us, the viewers. Because at the end of the day, he doesn't need to prove anything to the people in the back nor does he have a real wrestling career to build. He legit only does this to give back to the audience and that's what I love about it (and the audiences still love to cheer for his crazy ass so that's good too)
True, I do appreciate, I just wish he wouldn't do it. I pop and cheer but as soon as that crazy bastard actually does it I nearly stop breathing lol
 
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WWE current product is trash. And I don't mean in a simpleminded "they need to be TV14 and bring back the Attitude Era" sort of way
 

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WWE current product is trash. And I don't mean in a simpleminded "they need to be TV14 and bring back the Attitude Era" sort of way
In what sort of way then? I will admit that WWE's current product does have its moments where it's nothing but a raging dumpster fire, but it's always managed to entertain me and keep me interested (outside of RAW's god awful third hour). Some people just take it too seriously and are mad when their fantasy booking doesn't happen, without realizing nothing was promised at all and WWE is a fucking soap opera with a story that has its ups and downs like any story does. I acknowledge that some people, you for example, don't enjoy it at all and you have the right to not enjoy it because you like a different style, but there are those those continue to watch it and be "anti-WWE" at the same time. If I'm anti-anything, I don't watch or poor money into it or give it support on any way.
 

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In what sort of way then? I will admit that WWE's current product does have its moments where it's nothing but a raging dumpster fire, but it's always managed to entertain me and keep me interested (outside of RAW's god awful third hour). Some people just take it too seriously and are mad when their fantasy booking doesn't happen, without realizing nothing was promised at all and WWE is a fucking soap opera with a story that has its ups and downs like any story does. I acknowledge that some people, you for example, don't enjoy it at all and you have the right to not enjoy it because you like a different style, but there are those those continue to watch it and be "anti-WWE" at the same time. If I'm anti-anything, I don't watch or poor money into it or give it support on any way.
In all ways... I understand that the Raws and SDs are merely there to advertise the big money shows, and so maybe by me not watching or paying all that much attention outside of the Rumble I'm not giving it a fair shot, idk. But from what I can perceive, the stories are trash. And knowing the way they book their shows, theirvwrestlinh is trash too. I sat through the Rumble for what, 6 hours, with incredible seats, and was only excited for like the last 5-10 minutes of the Mens Rumble.
 

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In all ways... I understand that the Raws and SDs are merely there to advertise the big money shows, and so maybe by me not watching or paying all that much attention outside of the Rumble I'm not giving it a fair shot, idk. But from what I can perceive, the stories are trash. And knowing the way they book their shows, theirvwrestlinh is trash too. I sat through the Rumble for what, 6 hours, with incredible seats, and was only excited for like the last 5-10 minutes of the Mens Rumble.
The wrestling is very much on par nowadays imo, we've had some of the best WWE matches in recent time than over the last couple of years. Story/character wise, not all of it is creatives fault (most of it is, but not all). Some of the guys and gals are fantastic wrestlers but couldn't pull off a childs play about sesame street if they tried.
 

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Story/character wise, not all of it is creatives fault (most of it is, but not all). Some of the guys and gals are fantastic wrestlers but couldn't pull off a childs play about sesame street if they tried.
Then (IMO) it is the creative teams job to write & craft the storylines
to the particular performers strengths.

So...if they are lacking in mic skills...don't have them talk on the mic.

Its pretty simple really. Its like coaching a sports team. You put every
player in the position that suites them best.

I agree with you that the quality of wrestling has never been better...
but the characters & stories are terribly bland & repetitive.

The WWE has all these talented performers & the money & production
values second to none...and yet they simply seem to be content to sit
on "autopilot" while only focusing on having a Plank of Wood get over
& be the face of the company.

Watching the 1st season of Lucha Underground was worst thing I ever did...
because now I can only dream & imagine of what the WWE could achieve
if they decided to embrace the more "theatrical" elements of wrestling instead
of their entire product (besides NXT of course...less is more) being a bland,
overstuffed white bread sandwich with a side of more white bread.