Damien Sandow and the WHC MITB Briefcase

[CGS]

I'll throw Del Rio into that mix too. Even though I've never really minded him WWE has been amendment to push him as a main eventer from day one whether the crowd care for him or not.

 

[Deezy]

LOL thinking smark boos mean someone isn't over and is getting crammed down throats is hilarious.

They don't matter, they don't pay for shit like little kids and milfs. Sheamus has the kiddies cheering for him, dressing up like him and carry signs for him. Just because some smarks can be louder than kids don't mean a thing. They are not the ones putting money into the product like kids and their mommies do. Same shit as Cena, get it through your heads, they draw.

 

[Embrace Thou Maryse]

Eh when your supposed top faces are getting more boo's than cheers every week it matters.

 

[Troy]

Everyone knows that the Raw after Mania is full of the smarks who stayed after mania, been this way for quite some time. This is why people debut right after Mania, to gain their biggest reactions of the year. I believe I told everyone that Ziggler wasn't cashing in that briefcase until after Mania during around the time of TLC.

And seriously, wins and losses don't mean shit to people just watching the shows, the only people who have such a priority on it are the people who just nitpick it. Casuals don't give a fuck about wins or losses, wonder why "heels" get booed when they get their heat back after a loss? Or "faces" get pops for getting their heat back after a loss? Because it really doesn't matter, just entertain me motherfucker.

It doesn't take much to build somebody back up, you can have a Barry Horowitz lose for 10 years and then become a star with one win over Candido. Wrestling ins't too complicated. Stop acting like it is.

There is an issue with perception though. By having a guy that has the briefcase consistently lose to guys beneath the world champion you make it look like he isn't good enough to make that final step. Then if they do cash in and win it just makes it look like a complete fluke and makes the champion look weak even if it is done post match or post beatdown. If casual fans constantly see this guy losing and looking weak then they won't see him as a believable champion if he wins it.

I also don't find it neccessary to constantly rehash the same style of booking with so many MITB winners, mix things up with an underdog for once and give them a strong run leading into the cash in where they actually beat some people of note and look great doing it. Sandow can be that guy that actually looks stronger and stronger as each month goes on by getting on a win streak before that final cash in.

 

[Deezy]

Damien Sandow doesn't have to beat everyone under the sun to get himself over, he has the promo ability to get himself over just on that alone. Not to mention the fact that he isn't exactly lighting the world on fire with his in-ring ability apart from the cliched elbow drop and neckbreaker, he doesn't really do much.

Him beating stonger characters would devalue their stock, that World title is nothing but a secondary title.

 

[Embrace Thou Maryse]

He doesn't have to beat everyone, but he also doesn't have to job to everyone either. MITB winners tend to start out looking good...then WWE jobs them into the dirt for the shock swerve surprise cash in that everyone see's coming from a mile off. You job a guy into the ground then have him only cash in after the Champ has been beat down and its very hard to take them seriously.

 

[CGS]

Damien Sandow doesn't have to beat everyone under the sun to get himself over, he has the promo ability to get himself over just on that alone. Not to mention the fact that he isn't exactly lighting the world on fire with his in-ring ability apart from the cliched elbow drop and neckbreaker, he doesn't really do much.

Him beating stonger characters would devalue their stock, that World title is nothing but a secondary title.

Yeah again Win/Loss records are not bad. But Constant Win/loss records are a big deal. Sandow doesn't have to beat everything from now until he cashing in, But he certaintly shouldn't lose week after week either. Just having that win some/loss some balance makes things still feel real without it being overpowering and making him look too strong or too weak.

 

[Troy]

Damien Sandow doesn't have to beat everyone under the sun to get himself over, he has the promo ability to get himself over just on that alone. Not to mention the fact that he isn't exactly lighting the world on fire with his in-ring ability apart from the cliched elbow drop and neckbreaker, he doesn't really do much.

Him beating stonger characters would devalue their stock, that World title is nothing but a secondary title.

I would to see at least some decent wins along the way rather than have him fail every time he faces a strong name on the roster.

 

[Deezy]

I still don't get how Sandow getting some suprise losses a few times equate to constantly jobbing? Couldn't this be more of a character builder of him being too arrogant after he won the briefcase and use it as a means to serious the fuck up?

And Ziggler didn't job as much as people believe. Just kept getting screwed on cash-ins, those don't count.

 

[CGS]

We are agreeing with you when you say a few losses here and there and fine. Just don't have him lose 90% of the time.

Also Ziggler did lose quite a lot from January till the point he cashed in.

 

[Embrace Thou Maryse]

Ziggler was losing 30 second matches to Brodus Clay when he had the MITB briefcase, it was bad.

 

[Chris]

Ziggler was losing 30 second matches to Brodus Clay when he had the MITB briefcase, it was bad.

No he didn't. He lost to Brodus a couple times months before he won the briefcase. Once he won it, he didn't job all that much, he'd win on Smackdown and Main Event, it's just he hardly ever won on Raw when he was against guys like Orton, Sheamus or anyone else who was a big name guy.