Damien Sandow and the WHC MITB Briefcase

[Deezy]

Swagger cashed in right after he won it, and Punk was never booked like a jobber no matter how much he cried about how he was.

Let's go back to Ziggler I don't even know what problem there was with his slowburn push, he beat John Cena when when he was being built up, he lasted the second longest in the Rumble. He was constantly on PPVs to showcase himself, I don't get the big deal.

Given the platform to showcase yoursefl is far more important than wins and losses. His constant attempted cash ins were to gauge his crowd reactions which got hotter after everytime he didn't do it. And Mania time came, the audience was chanting for Ziggler and they pulled the trigger the next night in a smark heavy crowd ensuring he would get an Austin type pop. He was being built up the whole time, contrary to popular belief WWE creative actually do plan some shit out in advance.

 

[John McHenry]

I'd like to see Sandows character get a little more serious. He can do the robe thing once and awhile but I think he needs to start suiting up. He can still be an I'm smarter than you character but take it to a place that seems a little more realistic and a little less 80s

 

[CGS]

Swagger cashed in right after he won it, and Punk was never booked like a jobber no matter how much he cried about how he was.

Let's go back to Ziggler I don't even know what problem there was with his slowburn push, he beat John Cena when when he was being built up, he lasted the second longest in the Rumble. He was constantly on PPVs to showcase himself, I don't get the big deal.

Given the platform to showcase yoursefl is far more important than wins and losses. His constant attempted cash ins were to gauge his crowd reactions which got hotter after everytime he didn't do it. And Mania time came, the audience was chanting for Ziggler and they pulled the trigger the next night in a smark heavy crowd ensuring he would get an Austin type pop. He was being built up the whole time, contrary to popular belief WWE creative actually do plan some shit out in advance.

Punk wasn't losing as bad as Ziggler & Bryan but he still wasn't exactly strong leading up to his cash in's.

He beat Cena at the end of 2012 and then rarely won a match after that. Yeah he lasted the 2nd longest time in the rumble but lets not forget in 2012 during The Miz's downfall he lasted 45 minutes (the longest). He then went on to have a good run in the EC match. Did it really help him? Not really. The platform is great but if your constantly losing it's hard to take you seriously no matter what.

As for Ziggler's face turn I still reckon it was more of a last minute thing rather than them actually building him up for months on end. The Whole Smark crowd thing was more of luck than knowing it would happen. That crowd could have easily boo'd the hell outta him. Also if you really think WWE were gonna pull it off then how do you think they would have gone about it? Part of me doesn't think Del Rio wouldn't have been involved at all. Honestly I just think your giving the WWE a bit too much credit.

 

[Deezy]

Everyone knows that the Raw after Mania is full of the smarks who stayed after mania, been this way for quite some time. This is why people debut right after Mania, to gain their biggest reactions of the year. I believe I told everyone that Ziggler wasn't cashing in that briefcase until after Mania during around the time of TLC.

And seriously, wins and losses don't mean shit to people just watching the shows, the only people who have such a priority on it are the people who just nitpick it. Casuals don't give a fuck about wins or losses, wonder why "heels" get booed when they get their heat back after a loss? Or "faces" get pops for getting their heat back after a loss? Because it really doesn't matter, just entertain me motherfucker.

It doesn't take much to build somebody back up, you can have a Barry Horowitz lose for 10 years and then become a star with one win over Candido. Wrestling ins't too complicated. Stop acting like it is.

 

[CGS]

Win/Loss records are not a big deal. Constant win/loss records is a big deal though. Sorry but I just don't believe that you can have someone lose week after week after week and then BOOM one big win and all of a sudden the months and months or losing suddenly mean nothing and now the fans (even casual fans) will suddenly by this guy as one of the best going. I just think going from losing week after week to guys your supposed to be level with if not superior to to being the say 2nd biggest guy on the roster is way to extreme and shows no real long term building. I mean sure for a little while the guy is gonna be on top of the world but once they begin to drift away from the main scene are the fans still gonna really care? Im not trying to make wrestling sound complicated because it can be pretty straight forward, but your making it sound WAY to straightforward

 

[Deezy]

Zack Ryder was jobbing to every heel on the roster and wins the US title out of nowhere. And the fans bought it, for awhile, you know before they realized what a one note joke he was and was incapable of having decent matches.

 

[CGS]

And to be fair Ryder was over due to his outside work and the fans wanted to see him get a push for months anyway. Then WWE pretty much buried him in the Kane/Cena feud. WWE had zero interest with him anyway and only really pushed him to shut the fans up

 

[Deezy]

Zack Ryder wasn't over, just because 200 people out of 10000 can be heard over cold matches with a jobber like Ryder doesn't make him over.

I like how Ryders fall from net grace was because WWE sabotaged him, they gave him a platform, a backlash started because he was a goofy character getting too much TV time and people turned away. He wasn't drawing shit, he wasn't selling shit and he was just terrible when they gave him actual matches. They gave him his chance, and what did he do? Failed.

Comeback with a better gimmick and learn how to change a tire.

 

[CGS]

For his position in the roster Ryder was crazy over. You gotta be blind not to see that

And WWE did sabotage him. Come on WWE never gave him shit, He got himself over and WWE decided to say fuck it, gave him a push for about 3 months and then basically fed him as a pawn in the Kane/Cena feud to kill him off : he was never the most technical guy but he was pretty easily marketable as solid midcard wrestler. WWE would have never pushed the guy had he not been so over with the fans already.

 

[Embrace Thou Maryse]

Ryder was one of the most over people in WWE for a while. People were chanting for him on Raws he wasn't even on.

 

[Deezy]

Oh you mean when they were in the New York market? Guess that means every Canadian is over as well, because they get cheered in Toronto or Calgary.

Puh-leaze....Ryder was over like Sylvan Grenier was over in Quebec. Sure it's easy for kids to stat chanting "Let's go Ryder woo woo woo" after the guy has a belt, which is what happened, which proves my point. But he wasn't as over as everyone wanted to believe. You can make a lot of noise when you have bass in your voice, doesn't mean it's everyone making the noise.

I don't get what WWE did to sabotage Ryder, people said they wanted Ryder, that is what they gave them. People who didn't watch his youtube shit were like "who the fuck is this guy?" "What a fucking tool". He was given a solid push for months before Kane used him to get Cena sympathy, like an actual over person like Jim Ross got for Steve Austin. Which he also failed to do. Nobody sabotaged him, he just couldn't live up to the hype. Ryder fucked Ryder.....again learn to replace a flat tire.

 

[CGS]

You seriously don't believe Ryder was over? get outta here : It was far from just receiving hometown cheers. For the majority of 2011 the guy had quite a bit of support for someone who was pretty much never featured.

As for sabatoging him they clearly did, People wanted Ryder but it was pretty clear to see that WWE didn't really wanna push him and by the looks of it they really tried to hold off for months but the dude was just getting more and more fan support. He essentially went out got himself over pretty highly with his YouTube show and when he did Vince and Co then decided to try and get a piece of the action. Not long after that they gave him a little 2/3 month run and by February decided to say fuck you back down the roster you go. The dude just essentially was a pawn in the whole Cena/Kane angle. Nothing more.

Seriously the guy was pretty much the posterboy of what happens if you try to get yourself over without the higher ups approving of you in some way

 

[Deezy]

Yeah I'm sure WWE is going to pump the brakes on a potential revenue streams because they didn't plan for them to get over(which he didn't). Tell me more fairy tales, like how Austin didn't get over by himself because he was given ONE oppurtunity because a guy the company had plans for fucked up, and he hit a homerun first swing and became the biggest draw in history.

Ryder was given his shot and he shit the bed, there are no excuses about storylines and all that shit, because a great performer would make that shit work and get even more popular as a result.

Ryder fucking sucked, plain and simple.

I don't think Sandow will have this problem, because he looks like he could actually run with the ball, unlike that goof Zack Ryder, IWC sure know how to pick stars amiryt?

 

[CGS]

If you honestly wanna believe that Ryder wasn't over at all then more fool you. Point was that his title win didn't come after months or dead crowds for him or anything, He pretty much got himself over at a time when WWE were slowly beginning to embed Social Media into their company more and more and by the looks of it Vince didn't see him as anything big and so tried to stop him in his tracks ASAP when it started to become increasingly clear that the Ryder Fad wasn't going away quick enough.

Will the same happen with Sandow? Probably not but then WWE seem to be behind Sandow anyway if Vince and Co do want you to be big, your gonna be big.

 

[Embrace Thou Maryse]

Just look at Cena or Sheamus for further proof it doesn't matter one bit who the fans actually cheer for, once WWE has an idea of pushing a guy that's it, doesn't matter how dull he is.

Just look at Cena or Sheamus for further proof it doesn't matter one bit who the fans actually cheer for, once WWE has an idea of pushing a guy that's it, doesn't matter how dull he is.