CM The Punk

[CenaMark54]

No what's wrong with wrestling is people like you. So when you go to a boxing match do you wanna see a guy get beat up for 11 rounds and then out of nowhere he knocks the guy out and wins or do you wanna see a blow for blow fight? In ring physcology is good but people wanna see more competition not a one sided match that by some miracle a face beats the odds. Time for wrestling to move on and get a new makeover. Stop using dixie cups and try a cellphone, get with the program.

Actually most people want to see the good guy get pounded for the entire fight then make a dramatic comeback at the end (Its why Rocky was so successful). Most people want to be able to hate the bad guy and hope the good guy kills him in the ring.

No one wants to see two guys flying around the ring and no selling every move. People want to be drawn into the match. They don't want to sit there and watch two guys they dont care about go back and forth.

You are in the minority fella. Maybe you want to see that crap, but most people don't. And don't say I'm whats wrong with wrestling. Just because you prefer one style of match doesn't mean the majority of wrestling fans should change there tastes to suit you. Have fun watching local indy promotions. If you don't like big time WWE wrestling don't watch it.

 

[Montana]

Now, I never got to see the "oh so great" CM Punk in ROH as all these people druel over for him. But, from what I've seen (WWE) CM Punk is pretty meh. Seems like every CM Punk match I watch is the same. Punk gets beat up, does a few moves at the end and, just like that, GTS is nailed and he's out. Seems like it's rare he has a good back and forth competetive match. Most of his matches are the same of him getting beat and making his 'big' comeback in the match. I personally don't like him, and think he's overrated (WWE) Now I ain't sayin he sucks, or sucked in ROH, but from what I Seen (WWE) he's decent. But way too talked about, hyped up, and liked.

-Who do you like?

- Every face gets beat up for most the match

-Every wwe wrestler has their 5 moves of doom

- CM Punk is never really given a whole lot of time to wrestle.

- I just think the reasons you don't like him, have NOTHING to do with him. Its more of a wwe standard thing.

 

[Airfixx]

As for comments about PepsiPlunge v Pedigree....

I've seen peeps use a PP-like move as an out of the corner counter on a few occasions in WWE (can't recall who from memory, but I do remember seeing old tapes and thinking "Oh, look that's punks old move"), admittedly not as a finisher, but does anyone (without some factually unfounded gripe against HHH) really think it was outlawed to protect the 'integrity' of The Pedigree?



Mention of preserving Punks knees seems far less rooted in sensationalised HHH-hating to me.

 

[Colin Gimp]

CM Punk seems to be finally creating a WWE style for himself lately.

After a year of his indy routine, he seems to finally be doing the springboards and the hurricaranas along with his trademark moves.

I've noticed this lately, mostly the past month he's been doing this, about the same time Morrison started doing that moonsault with a garbage can.

I don't know if it was WWE management who told him to shape it up or if it's Punk himself but this is exactly the kind of rejuvenation he needs before his big jump to the main event.

I'm sure in the next couple of weeks we're going to see some things we've rarely seen from Punk before and it's not going to be no pepsi plunge. (which was obviously just a move to create word of mouth for the guy)

 

[Haze187]

Actually most people want to see the good guy get pounded for the entire fight then make a dramatic comeback at the end (Its why Rocky was so successful). Most people want to be able to hate the bad guy and hope the good guy kills him in the ring.

No one wants to see two guys flying around the ring and no selling every move. People want to be drawn into the match. They don't want to sit there and watch two guys they dont care about go back and forth.

You are in the minority fella. Maybe you want to see that crap, but most people don't. And don't say I'm whats wrong with wrestling. Just because you prefer one style of match doesn't mean the majority of wrestling fans should change there tastes to suit you. Have fun watching local indy promotions. If you don't like big time WWE wrestling don't watch it.

No people don't because it gets stale and plus its hard to get fans excited, unlike ROH and some TNA get fans moving and chanting and at home most people are like holy shit I never saw this before. People want two guys that amaze them. That's why those matches are better than most WWE type matches unless the match has a big meaning to it, if it don't then it don't mean shit, its just another WWE match Face dominates heel takes over for the rest of the match then face comes out of nowhere and gets superpowers and wins. While the types of matches other companies do have you constantly wondering what else is next.

 

[KroniK 4-2-0]

^Yeah, I personally don't care for if a heel kills a face in a match, but the face comes back with a few moves at the end to win, it's unrealistic and BS.

It should be a good competitive match, unless it's a squash. WWE needs to do better shit, perhaps how TNA does their wrestling, It's always competitive, don't matter who the guys are.

-Who do you like?

- Every face gets beat up for most the match

-Every wwe wrestler has their 5 moves of doom

- CM Punk is never really given a whole lot of time to wrestle.

- I just think the reasons you don't like him, have NOTHING to do with him. Its more of a wwe standard thing.

Well, the current guys I like (in WWE) are Elijah Burke, Edge, Undertaker, Shelton Benjamin, Stevie Richards, Murdoch, Cade, Kennedy, Y2J, and a couple others. I'm not a big fan of WWE's main event stars, because personally I don't like HHH, or HBK, or Orton, or Cena, or Batista, ect. That's why I prefer TNA over WWE, because there's guys in there I like a whole lot more than WWE's set of guys. And about CM Punk, I just don't like him much (not judging his ROH style, just from what I've seen since his ECW Debut)

 

[OsamaHussian]

I've seen peeps use a PP-like move as an out of the corner counter on a few occasions in WWE (can't recall who from memory, but I do remember seeing old tapes and thinking "Oh, look that's punks old move")

I know Chyna used the Pepsi Plunge on Jericho at the 1999 Survivor Series in there match for the Intercontinental Championship but besides that, I don't recall anyone ever using it before/after that.

CM Punk has had some very good matches with John Morrison (Especially the match he won the ECW Championship), Miz, Elijah Burke, Shelton, Chavo and Jericho. You can't blame him for being given the same opponent week after week, there’s only so many people he can face on ECW.

 

[King Of Kings]

He did have a pretty competetive match with jericho but he lost lol.

 

[kingovkings]

^Yeah, I personally don't care for if a heel kills a face in a match, but the face comes back with a few moves at the end to win, it's unrealistic and BS.

It should be a good competitive match, unless it's a squash. WWE needs to do better shit, perhaps how TNA does their wrestling, It's always competitive, don't matter who the guys are.

So basically what you wanna see is TNA stuff. Well watch TNA and dont watch WWE that simple.


Well, the current guys I like (in WWE) are Elijah Burke, Edge, Undertaker, Shelton Benjamin, Stevie Richards, Murdoch, Cade, Kennedy, Y2J, and a couple others. I'm not a big fan of WWE's main event stars, because personally I don't like HHH, or HBK, or Orton, or Cena, or Batista, ect. That's why I prefer TNA over WWE, because there's guys in there I like a whole lot more than WWE's set of guys. And about CM Punk, I just don't like him much (not judging his ROH style, just from what I've seen since his ECW Debut)

HHH,HBK,Orton, Cena, Tista. hmmm Pretty much WWE biggest draws then eh the one's that put arses in seats and the merchandise fly off the shelves.
Yeah coz TNA top draws are much better arnt they. Well if ya a Deluded TNA fan they are:woot_jump:

IMO Punks not bad i dont mind his matches he aint great but there is a lot worse than him.

 

[1chiban]

I know Chyna used the Pepsi Plunge on Jericho at the 1999 Survivor Series in there match for the Intercontinental Championship but besides that, I don't recall anyone ever using it before/after that.

CM Punk has had some very good matches with John Morrison (Especially the match he won the ECW Championship), Miz, Elijah Burke, Shelton, Chavo and Jericho. You can't blame him for being given the same opponent week after week, there’s only so many people he can face on ECW.

That was hardly a Pepsi Plunge but I get the picture. She used the pedigree because she had been associated with Triple H both on and off screen. Punk would not be allowed to do it, because no man can ever show Triple H up. Plus it would make the pedigree a little redeundant as a finisher so i can see that it would not make much sense.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

Haze, I get where you are coming from, but maybe you should stick with Indy. There is a reason why there are heels and faces. People want to see a face get beaten and then out of nowhere, get the win, have you heard of someone named Hulk Hogan, you know, the man that got cheered for basically stop selling at one point of the match?

In Indy, it is different, there are hardly any faces and heels, just two guys, talented or not, performing amazing matches, amazing counters, but getting up time after time after time. I mean, on an indy match, one man does a fucking Flipping Piledriver and the man who suffered it gets back to his feet do a Corkscrew, stuff like that. People don't want to see that.

And please, you say WWE should approach a more ROH/TNA style of match. I am sorry, but what style of match made WCW and WWE big? The one they still use. Is TNA big? No. Is ROH major league? No. Is the Original ECW around? NO.


And KroniK, you just hate WWE main eventers as a whole, it is like patented

 

[Headfirst For Hardcore]

but the whole "WWE Style" match with comebacks is getting too predictable. But it really doesn't matter, because WWE focuses more on the out of the ring stuff then wrestling nowadays.

But if you've seen a WWE match where someone pulls something crazy off, you know the fans would be more into that than your standard Randy Orton match, which consists of a big move, then chin lock, and repeat again and again.

And please, you say WWE should approach a more ROH/TNA style of match. I am sorry, but what style of match made WCW and WWE big? The one they still use. Is TNA big? No. Is ROH major league? No. Is the Original ECW around? NO.

The reason WCW got popular wasn't only their breakthrough storylines, but because of the cruiserweight style that they brought to the mainstream, which was a style that was completely different than WWE. And using TNA and ROH as an example is bad because they've been around for 6 years, and WWE has been around for about 80. And it's not because of their wrestling style to why they aren't successful, it's just because WWE has a stranglehold on wrestling. And ECW closed because Paul Heyman didn't know how to handle finances.

 

[Haze187]

Haze, I get where you are coming from, but maybe you should stick with Indy. There is a reason why there are heels and faces. People want to see a face get beaten and then out of nowhere, get the win, have you heard of someone named Hulk Hogan, you know, the man that got cheered for basically stop selling at one point of the match?

In Indy, it is different, there are hardly any faces and heels, just two guys, talented or not, performing amazing matches, amazing counters, but getting up time after time after time. I mean, on an indy match, one man does a fucking Flipping Piledriver and the man who suffered it gets back to his feet do a Corkscrew, stuff like that. People don't want to see that.

And please, you say WWE should approach a more ROH/TNA style of match. I am sorry, but what style of match made WCW and WWE big? The one they still use. Is TNA big? No. Is ROH major league? No. Is the Original ECW around? NO.


And KroniK, you just hate WWE main eventers as a whole, it is like patented

Let me see...how can I tell you this...so you like to go by what's 'big', 'big' isn't always the best. Remember these days anything can become 'big' if its dumb enough. Yeah WWE is 'big' but it got that way when most fans thought it was real, and now its holding up because of its name. People who go by what the media likes have no opinion, just because something is 'big' don't make it better than everything else. Last time I checked fame gave you recognition not skills. Everyone makes everything into a TNA vs. WWE thing for every topic, get your head out your ass for a second and look at the whole picture, I watch what interests me, I wanna watch what happens with the WWE title so I watch RAW, I don't have anything to see in SD! except for MVP so I bearly watch it. I don't really like ECW so I watch it when I remember. And I like TNA's roster and matches so I watch it. Does it mean I am attached to one company? No.
Plus if notice todays society don't really wanna see a superhero, they wanna see a badass, a realistic guy. How realistic is Cena and Orton beating the entire RAW roster? I'm pretty sure if it was a shoot they would've ended up dead and so does everyone else think, its not realistic. You can say some of the moves from other companies seem fake but it gets fans excited.

 

[1chiban]

I don't see how you can become too attached to ONE company - as a wrestling fan, I watch as much as I can when I want to - be that WWE TV, TNA or ROH repeats on the Fight Network. Its the same with music. Just because I like some emo rock doesn't mean I'll listen exclusively to it, and shun everything else. Variety is the spice of life my friends.