Night of Champions Cena/Lesnar rematch confirmed for Night of Champions

[Swift]

Just now seeing Brock's title design. Looks badass.

 

[The GOAT]

Rocky III montages = Cena defeating Lesnar
Rocky IV montages = Cena defeating Rusev

I'm looking forward to this upcoming rematch more than their Summerslam bout, mainly because I wasn't nervous for Summerslam since everyone pretty much knew that Lesnar was winning. I'm a lot less certain when it comes to Night Of Champions, though. I fear that WWE's logic might be that since Lesnar ended the Streak and since he's already dominated Cena worst than anyone has before, he can take a loss at NOC and still be protected, especially since he'll no doubt take Cena to his limit again. Hopefully I'm wrong or if I'm not, they incorporate the rumored Steel Cage idea into the match and have Cena win via escape. Some would say that winning only by escaping the cage makes Cena look "weak", but it would all depend on how it's done. If somehow there was a moment where both guys were trying to escape (one by climbing over the cage, the other by crawling out the door) and Cena managed to make it out first, that could work.

 

[Green Jesus]

I was scratching my head a little after the ss main event, but i eventually fell in love with the result as it made lesnar one of the most badass villains in wrestling history. But i did feel bad for cena taking all these suplexes, and I rsspect the fuck out of him after taking it without bitching, his work ethic has always mesmerized me.

As for the rematch, I wouldn't mind a more even match, and even though I want brock to have a reasonable undefeated run, I'm excited for it regardless of the results

 

[Green Jesus]

Very good analogy and well stated.
To be honest, it's in poor taste to celebrate anybody's death. I wouldn't say I get mad, but to 'celebrate' somebody's death is disgusting.
We can have a logical discussion on whether somebody deserves the death penalty. I am not against the 'deserving' of death.
I'm not against capitol punishment. Death is a consequence of actions, it is not something to celebrate.

Your take of Cena's loss being refreshing cause you never see it, is a far more intelligent reason than what I've read prior.
I didn't like the match because it very deliberately screws a person's neck. Cena agreed to it, I still don't. That's my take.

You should stay the fuck away from game of thrones if that's your mindset

 

[Red Rain]

You should stay the fuck away from game of thrones if that's your mindset

I promise you I have, I do and I will.

 

[edge4ever]

Rocky III montages = Cena defeating Lesnar
Rocky IV montages = Cena defeating Rusev

I'm looking forward to this upcoming rematch more than their Summerslam bout, mainly because I wasn't nervous for Summerslam since everyone pretty much knew that Lesnar was winning. I'm a lot less certain when it comes to Night Of Champions, though. I fear that WWE's logic might be that since Lesnar ended the Streak and since he's already dominated Cena worst than anyone has before, he can take a loss at NOC and still be protected, especially since he'll no doubt take Cena to his limit again. Hopefully I'm wrong or if I'm not, they incorporate the rumored Steel Cage idea into the match and have Cena win via escape. Some would say that winning only by escaping the cage makes Cena look "weak", but it would all depend on how it's done. If somehow there was a moment where both guys were trying to escape (one by climbing over the cage, the other by crawling out the door) and Cena managed to make it out first, that could work.

I don't see them letting Lesnar take a loss already. Granted, his last 2 victories proves that he's the most dominate WWE susperstar ever (arguably). But, regardless, I don't think they'll want him losing the belt yet. A month reign would make Lesnar look weak.

If he does lose, it might be by DQ . . . Lesnar and Cena are going back and forth....Brock loses his temper and nails the referee after Cena kicks out of an F-5 or something. Him and Cena brawl after the match and he "injures" Cena by smashing him through the announce table with an F5. I can see an angle like this before I see Lesnar losing the belt.

I feel tat Cena will lose this match...but, it'll be close and Cena will be the first guy to show Brock's weaknesses.

 

[The GOAT]

I don't see them letting Lesnar take a loss already. Granted, his last 2 victories proves that he's the most dominate WWE susperstar ever (arguably). But, regardless, I don't think they'll want him losing the belt yet. A month reign would make Lesnar look weak.

If he does lose, it might be by DQ . . . Lesnar and Cena are going back and forth....Brock loses his temper and nails the referee after Cena kicks out of an F-5 or something. Him and Cena brawl after the match and he "injures" Cena by smashing him through the announce table with an F5. I can see an angle like this before I see Lesnar losing the belt.

I feel that Cena will lose this match...but, it'll be close and Cena will be the first guy to show Brock's weaknesses.

The best route to go is to probably have Lesnar defeat Cena the way a lot of people (including Mick Foley) felt he should have back at Extreme Rules two years ago - having him dish out a beat down on Cena so bad that the referee eventually stops the match. At Summerslam, JBL even got to the point where he was saying the match should just be stopped already because Lesnar was gonna seriously injure Cena if it didn't. I could see the match going down this way at Night Of Champions, except the big difference is that Cena puts up much more of a fight this time before it reaches that point. The fact that Cena may still be banged up a little heading into the match could play into it, too.

 

[edge4ever]

The best route to go is to probably have Lesnar defeat Cena the way a lot of people (including Mick Foley) felt he should have back at Extreme Rules two years ago - having him dish out a beat down on Cena so bad that the referee eventually stops the match. At Summerslam, JBL even got to the point where he was saying the match should just be stopped already because Lesnar was gonna seriously injure Cena if it didn't. I could see the match going down this way at Night Of Champions, except the big difference is that Cena puts up much more of a fight this time before it reaches that point. The fact that Cena may still be banged up a little heading into the match could play into it, too.

I don't feel that Cena should be beat down badly, much like he did at SummerSlam, as it would continue to make Brock look way too unstoppable. I mean they had Cena run through the Wyatt's, run through Kane-Orton-Rollins, and for what?.....for him to get mauled worse than before? Only to have Reigns eventually beat down Lesnar? Reigns being a guy who had a hard time beating Orton at SummerSlam? I'm not saying that Cena should win, but having him simply get dominated again....isn't a good idea. Cena has already been dominated.

I feel it should be a little more back and forth....Cena showing that Brock does have some weaknesses, but Brock still ultimately wins after a second F-5...maybe attacking Cena after the match and injuring him?

 

[The GOAT]

I don't feel that Cena should be beat down badly, much like he did at SummerSlam, as it would continue to make Brock look way too unstoppable. I mean they had Cena run through the Wyatt's, run through Kane-Orton-Rollins, and for what?.....for him to get mauled worse than before? Only to have Reigns eventually beat down Lesnar? Reigns being a guy who had a hard time beating Orton at SummerSlam? I'm not saying that Cena should win, but having him simply get dominated again....isn't a good idea. Cena has already been dominated.

I feel it should be a little more back and forth....Cena showing that Brock does have some weaknesses, but Brock still ultimately wins after a second F-5...maybe attacking Cena after the match and injuring him?

Yes, I said myself it should be more back and forth, and I'm not advocating that Cena should be dominated for the entire match, just that if Lesnar pulls ahead somewhere in the late stages of the match, have him go at Cena harder than he did before unlike at Summerslam where he took his sweet time in between most of the suplexes. If the match goes to the outside and Cena ends up being put through a table, it would further accomplish helping to weaken Cena more than before. It wouldn't be required to dominate Cena the entire time in order for this ending to be doable.

Most likely though, Lesnar will retain after three F-5's, which admittedly is probably a better ending anyway. That was my prediction for Summerslam - Brock needing to hit three in a row to put Cena down, which would give off the impression that beating Cena was just as hard as beating the Undertaker's Streak (since it took exactly three of those to beat Taker), and it'd be one F-5 more than it took to beat Cena at Summerslam.

 

[edge4ever]

Yes, I said myself it should be more back and forth, and I'm not advocating that Cena should be dominated for the entire match, just that if Lesnar pulls ahead somewhere in the late stages of the match, have him go at Cena harder than he did before unlike at Summerslam where he took his sweet time in between most of the suplexes. If the match goes to the outside and Cena ends up being put through a table, it would further accomplish helping to weaken Cena more than before. It wouldn't be required to dominate Cena the entire time in order for this ending to be doable.

Most likely though, Lesnar will retain after three F-5's, which admittedly is probably a better ending anyway. That was my prediction for Summerslam - Brock needing to hit three in a row to put Cena down, which would give off the impression that beating Cena was just as hard as beating the Undertaker's Streak (since it took exactly three of those to beat Taker), and it'd be one F-5 more than it took to beat Cena at Summerslam.

Oh, I thought you meant that by Cena putting up more of a fight (which, at this point, him simply mounting offense is more of a fight), you meant that he would mount some offense but be simply dominated again. You said, "I could see the match going down this way at Night Of Champions, except the big difference is that Cena puts up much more of a fight this time before it reaches that point." Again, thought you meant otherwise. I'm all for it being back and forth and I think it should be.

You really think it'll take 3 F5's?.....I can see that...but is Cena really as strong as the Streak? It's a tough call if you ask me. I can see Cena losing to 2 F5's....one being on the table and the other in the ring. Granted, I know Cena is the superman of the WWE.....but if it takes the same of amount of effort to beat Cena at NOC as it did to end the greatest Streak in WWE history....I think it's a little absurd.

 

[The GOAT]

Oh, I thought you meant that by Cena putting up more of a fight (which, at this point, him simply mounting offense is more of a fight), you meant that he would mount some offense but be simply dominated again. You said, "I could see the match going down this way at Night Of Champions, except the big difference is that Cena puts up much more of a fight this time before it reaches that point." Again, thought you meant otherwise. I'm all for it being back and forth and I think it should be.

You really think it'll take 3 F5's?.....I can see that...but is Cena really as strong as the Streak? It's a tough call if you ask me. I can see Cena losing to 2 F5's....one being on the table and the other in the ring. Granted, I know Cena is the superman of the WWE.....but if it takes the same of amount of effort to beat Cena at NOC as it did to end the greatest Streak in WWE history....I think it's a little absurd.

Is Cena really as strong as the Streak? I definitely think WWE might want him to be seen that way. Just look at his past list of accolades lol. At the very least, you could say that the Cena heading into NOC who's at his absolute 110% best with nothing to lose could be just as mighty as the Undertaker was at Wrestlemania. I don't think it would be all that absurd really, considering Cena is booked like a god and is constantly being made out by the commentators to be the greatest WWE Champion in history anyway. Plus he's defeated many of the same people that Taker has at Wrestlemania - Randy Orton, Kane, Mark Henry, Batista, Edge, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, CM Punk, Big Show, etc. He also managed to just barely pull out a victory over Brock Lesnar already, albeit with the use of weapons in a hardcore match, but still.

 

[edge4ever]

Is Cena really as strong as the Streak? I definitely think WWE might want him to be seen that way. Just look at his past list of accolades lol. At the very least, you could say that the Cena heading into NOC who's at his absolute 110% best with nothing to lose could be just as mighty as the Undertaker was at Wrestlemania. I don't think it would be all that absurd really, considering Cena is booked like a god and is constantly being made out by the commentators to be the greatest WWE Champion in history anyway. Plus he's defeated many of the same people that Taker has at Wrestlemania - Randy Orton, Kane, Mark Henry, Batista, Edge, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, CM Punk, Big Show, etc. He also managed to just barely pull out a victory over Brock Lesnar already, albeit with the use of weapons in a hardcore match, but still.

I see your point. Yet I still disagree.

I mean using the "look at his accolades logic," you could say the same thing about Triple H. He has beaten everyone you listed (including Cena, but not Batista) and then some. And, not only did he fail at ending the Streak on 3 separate occasions, but he also holds a victory over Lesnar (using weapons). This implicates that if Triple H....a guy who has done it all and seen it all....can't beat Taker's Streak....yet he's beaten Cena.....again, using your logic on this, it should take 3 F5's to beat Triple H?.....the same effort that it took to beat Taker's Streak should be put into beating Triple H? I don't think so....I mean Triple H has been said to be, arguably, the greatest WWE champion ever, too. does this mean that he is? No....

My point is this: Cena is not as strong as the Streak if you ask me.....at this point, no one but Brock is as strong as the Streak. Sure, Cena's Superman and hell, he could even beat Lesnar after 5 AA's if you ask me....but having 3 F5's beat Cena, the same as it took to beat Taker, is dumb....it shouldn't take the same effort.

 

[The GOAT]

I see your point. Yet I still disagree.

I mean using the "look at his accolades logic," you could say the same thing about Triple H. He has beaten everyone you listed (including Cena, but not Batista) and then some. And, not only did he fail at ending the Streak on 3 separate occasions, but he also holds a victory over Lesnar (using weapons). This implicates that if Triple H....a guy who has done it all and seen it all....can't beat Taker's Streak....yet he's beaten Cena.....again, using your logic on this, it should take 3 F5's to beat Triple H?.....the same effort that it took to beat Taker's Streak should be put into beating Triple H? I don't think so....I mean Triple H has been said to be, arguably, the greatest WWE champion ever, too. does this mean that he is? No....

My point is this: Cena is not as strong as the Streak if you ask me.....at this point, no one but Brock is as strong as the Streak. Sure, Cena's Superman and hell, he could even beat Lesnar after 5 AA's if you ask me....but having 3 F5's beat Cena, the same as it took to beat Taker, is dumb....it shouldn't take the same effort.

Well, pro wrestling is full of all kinds of inconsistencies like these. If you really want to dig deep enough and compare enough matches and scenarios from the past with the present, we could literally sit here all day and point out things that don't add up. Hell, if we did that, we could say that Bray Wyatt is on the same level as Brock Lesnar since Bray beat the guy who beat the guy who beat the guy who beat the Streak (it would go Bray-Bryan-Cena-Brock-Undertaker, btw) but that would of course be absolutely absurd. People just don't view pro wrestling like that. I could literally pull out several other examples to demonstrate this.

At the end of the day, all that truly matters from a booker's point of view is whether or not something is appropriate for the current storyline at hand. In this case, Cena is supposed to be more resilient than ever heading into Night Of Champions and if Cena is to take his second clean loss in a row, they may want to protect him as much as possible and having to be hit with three F-5's before staying down, ala Undertaker, would be a way of doing that. My point with bringing up his past accolades was that it's not like we're talking about just any random person on the roster here. We're talking about the most protected guy in the WWE in the past ten years.

 

[edge4ever]

Well, pro wrestling is full of all kinds of inconsistencies like these. If you really want to dig deep enough and compare enough matches and scenarios from the past with the present, we could literally sit here all day and point out things that don't add up. Hell, if we did that, we could say that Bray Wyatt is on the same level as Brock Lesnar since Bray beat the guy who beat the guy who beat the guy who beat the Streak (it would go Bray-Bryan-Cena-Brock-Undertaker, btw) but that would of course be absolutely absurd. People just don't view pro wrestling like that. I could literally pull out several other examples to demonstrate this.

At the end of the day, all that truly matters from a booker's point of view is whether or not something is appropriate for the current storyline at hand. In this case, Cena is supposed to be more resilient than ever heading into Night Of Champions and if Cena is to take his second clean loss in a row, they may want to protect him as much as possible and having to be hit with three F-5's before staying down, ala Undertaker, would be a way of doing that. My point with bringing up his past accolades was that it's not like we're talking about just any random person on the roster here. We're talking about the most protected guy in the WWE in the past ten years.

Hey Bud, you were the one who decided to say that one of the reasons as to why Cena should be able to take 3 F5's is because of his accolades. You brought that up...I just exposed its flaws

"Is Cena really as strong as the Streak? I definitely think WWE might want him to be seen that way. Just look at his past list of accolades lol."

Any who, as for the rest of your argument, yes, I can see that and I get the logic behind it taking 3 F5's....I just don't think it should happen...my opinion. I feel that when Reigns (whomever) finally beats Lesnar at Mania 31....they should take 2 F5's and still kick out. Brock can go for a third one...they counter and hit their finisher over and over and beat him.

And I get why you brought up his accolades, now I do, but I don't think that statement helped prove your point lol

 

[Shortie8611]

Will admit I was not surprised at this decision neither was I excited about seeing it again. The match has happened and Cena lost so why not now allow other wrestlers to take on Brock Lesnar and give them a chance to shine instead of giving us rematches we really do not want to see.