Backlash Carmella vs. Charlotte...

[Grievous 3D]

One thing is for sure I would not have her go into Summerslam as champ.

I hope not...

A series of ppv matches involving Charlotte and Asuka would be great.

I think they need to do 3 Charotte/Asuka matches...
I don't care when as long as they are on pay per view
with one of them being a gimmick match of some kind.

Does make me think why they even bothered to put the title on Carmella, if she is just going to lose it straight a way.

2 reasons...

1). So the 1st woman with the MitB contract didn't end up as the female Moron Corbin...
&
2). The Post Mania show pop...much like they did with Ziggler.

Yeah that could be really good. That would probably be the most fitting way for her to lose her title. It would be an ironic comeuppance. I think WWE (and fans) forget sometimes that heels are not suppose to win the war.

Exactly...but the WWE can't even really book
Faces properly anymore so what do you expect?

Becky cashing in on Carmella would be extra fitting. Considering Becky was the one who got screwed out of the case last year. But I don't see Becky being champ any time soon.

Oh Hell Yes! I would be marking out hardcore for that...
and I know the fans would be so into Becky getting that
belt back...and it could possibly lead to a triple threat with
Asuka & Charlotte later on down the line...which would be
amazing.

 

[Redboy123@]

1). So the 1st woman with the MitB contract didn't end up as the female Moron Corbin...
&
2). The Post Mania show pop...much like they did with Ziggler.

WWE short terminism in a nut shell. I don't know why but I just think short reigns are really damaging to the belt. Don't mind it if its not a regular occurance...but it is.

Exactly...but the WWE can't even really book
Faces properly anymore so what do you expect?

They can't book heels. Heels come first then the faces naturally follow. If you have a good heel, then you will inevitably get a babyface over.

 

[Grievous 3D]

WWE short terminism in a nut shell. I don't know why but I just think short reigns are really damaging to the belt. Don't mind it if its not a regular occurrence...but it is.

I agree...and they can also be really damaging to a performer...

*Looks at Sasha Banks & quickly looks away*

They can't book heels. Heels come first then the faces naturally follow. If you have a good heel, then you will inevitably get a babyface over.

I think the problem is the Heels are more interesting as
characters and therefore the fans like them more than
the faces.

The WWE needs to make their Heels more unlikeable
and develop their faces as real characters that the fans
want to see win.

But this entire problem stems from the top of the card...

They can't even get their "Top Face" over as a face...so
that doesn't really bode well for everyone else lower on the
food chain.

 

[Redboy123@]

They can't even get their "Top Face" over as a face...so
that doesn't really bode well for everyone else lower on the
food chain.

Cuz they put him against Brock Lesnar who everybody loves cuz he is a big bad guy who beats people up. Same with Joe. What is there to hate?

 

[Grievous 3D]

Cuz they put him against Brock Lesnar who everybody loves cuz he is a big bad guy who beats people up. Same with Joe. What is there to hate?

Again...a valid point that's right on the money...

 

[bullyballmm]

Regardless of my opinion, I think Carmella will win with the help of The Iconics (I refuse to do that stupid stylized spelling of iconic)

 

[The Sheik]

Carmella needs to win.. Not just because i'm a huge fan of Carmella and can't stand Charlotte as a babyface, but because this is an opportunity to create something with Carmella.. She's been doing great.. I just wish she had more build up before winning the title.. Keep the title on her and let her have some matches with Charlotte, Becky Lynch, Asuka and other great wrestlers.

Carmella is one of the few women that can cut promos in WWE, she just needs to work on her in-ring ability and she'll be the total package.. Working with great in-ring workers will only help Carmella improve in that area. Book her in house show matches with the top women on Smackdown and she'll improve fast.

 

[Grievous 3D]

Carmella needs to win.. Not just because i'm a huge fan of Carmella and can't stand Charlotte as a babyface, but because this is an opportunity to create something with Carmella.. She's been doing great.. I just wish she had more build up before winning the title.. Keep the title on her and let her have some matches with Charlotte, Becky Lynch, Asuka and other great wrestlers.

I agree...in a way.

Carmella is one of the few women that can cut promos in WWE, she just needs to work on her in-ring ability and she'll be the total package.. Working with great in-ring workers will only help Carmella improve in that area. Book her in house show matches with the top women on Smackdown and she'll improve fast.

I'm sorry...but too many people place too much importance
on promo/mic skills instead of in-ring skills.

The WWE already did this with Alexa Bliss and she has
hardly shown any improvement...in fact one could argue
she has regressed as far as her wrestling abilities are
concerned.

The WWE should not be putting these titles on women who
cannot work a decent match...no matter how good they look
or how good their mic skills are.

Of course that's just my opinion.

As far as Carmella's actual promo skills...well...yeah she can
cut a promo but she's fucking annoying at the moment...and
you can say "That's the point" but I don't care...I don't want to
listen to annoying, lame idiots babble meaningless, annoying
crap.

I point to Charlotte dumping that table on Carmella for the
perfect reaction to her loudmouth bullshit.

I say put the title back on Charlotte & build a title feud between
Charlotte, Asuka & Becky.

But again...that's just my opinion.

 

[Redboy123@]

As far as Carmella's actual promo skills...well...yeah she can
cut a promo but she's fucking annoying at the moment...and
you can say "That's the point" but I don't care...I don't want to
listen to annoying, lame idiots babble meaningless, annoying
crap.

Don't you want to see that annoying, lame idiot get beaten up?


Carmella has a good heel promo in her arsenal. I was very reluctant to the idea of her as champ, but she has proven me wrong. I was expecting her to have zero heat.

 

[v1LL1n]

Id love to see Carmella beat Charlotte clean and have a long run to establish her as a top heel who would cheat in any situation...except this match with Charlotte...she needs something substantial to actually brag about! Makes her a hundred times more annoying and believable

 

[Redboy123@]

Id love to see Carmella beat Charlotte clean and have a long run to establish her as a top heel who would cheat in any situation...except this match with Charlotte...she needs something substantial to actually brag about! Makes her a hundred times more annoying and believable

Charlotte beats Asuka clean. Carmella has barely won a clean match on the main roster. Carmella beats Charlotte clean. Charlotte was ready for the undefeated Asuka, but she wasn't ready for the winless female Curt Hawkins. 50/50 booking gone mad.

Carmella has all this heat because she hasn't done anything by herself. Why take a way that heat?

 

[The Sheik]

I agree...in a way.


I'm sorry...but too many people place too much importance
on promo/mic skills instead of in-ring skills.

The WWE already did this with Alexa Bliss and she has
hardly shown any improvement...in fact one could argue
she has regressed as far as her wrestling abilities are
concerned.

The WWE should not be putting these titles on women who
cannot work a decent match...no matter how good they look
or how good their mic skills are.

Of course that's just my opinion.

As far as Carmella's actual promo skills...well...yeah she can
cut a promo but she's fucking annoying at the moment...and
you can say "That's the point" but I don't care...I don't want to
listen to annoying, lame idiots babble meaningless, annoying
crap.

I point to Charlotte dumping that table on Carmella for the
perfect reaction to her loudmouth bullshit.

I say put the title back on Charlotte & build a title feud between
Charlotte, Asuka & Becky.

But again...that's just my opinion.

Mic skills is very important, especially in WWE.. If this was the indy's or Japan i'd be saying something totally different.. It's one of the reasons a lot of these great in-ring workers are near the bottom of the card, they can't talk.. Talking is a great way to sell a feud..

Talking people into the building, i believe the saying goes. You can't just be great in the ring or it will be hard to make it very far in WWE.

Alexa Bliss is fine in the ring. She definitely needs improvements. She can't go in there and have a 20 minute classic but she's passable in the ring.. Remember she was a manager most of her time in NXT, so she doesn't have as much experience.. Just like Sasha and Bayley are good in the ring, but can't cut a promo to save their life. Everybody has their strengths and weaknesses.. Some fans don't care about in-ring ability and some don't care about mic skills, but both are very important to WWE..

 

[Grievous 3D]

Don't you want to see that annoying, lame idiot get beaten up?

Yes...but I don't want to listen to her annoying promos beforehand...

I was very reluctant to the idea of her as champ, but she has proven me wrong

What has she actually done to prove you wrong exactly?

Carmella has all this heat because she hasn't done anything by herself. Why take a way that heat?

What heat? I am watching a different show?

Mic skills is very important, especially in WWE.. If this was the indy's or Japan i'd be saying something totally different.. It's one of the reasons a lot of these great in-ring workers are near the bottom of the card, they can't talk.. Talking is a great way to sell a feud..

Talking people into the building, i believe the saying goes. You can't just be great in the ring or it will be hard to make it very far in WWE.

Alexa Bliss is fine in the ring. She definitely needs improvements. She can't go in there and have a 20 minute classic but she's passable in the ring.. Remember she was a manager most of her time in NXT, so she doesn't have as much experience.. Just like Sasha and Bayley are good in the ring, but can't cut a promo to save their life. Everybody has their strengths and weaknesses.. Some fans don't care about in-ring ability and some don't care about mic skills, but both are very important to WWE..

Yeah...I get that...

I just don't like it.

 

[Neel420VA]

No...just let me explain...I swear this isn't my usual Bowing
before my Bae, my Amazon, my Goddess Charlotte.

I swear...

You still there? Good...

Now...lets get started.

Carmella NEEDS to win this match...desperately.

Let me explain.

Carmella has been booked as nothing more than a joke
since arriving on the main roster and I personally believe
this is all because of Eva Marie being suspended when
she was shortly before Summerslam 2016 & her deciding
to take her red hair & breasts & go home.

Carmella was turned heel shortly afterwards, feuded with
Nikki Bella, was teamed with Blobfish Ellsworth & "won"
the MitB contract only because of help from her friend
who is a boy.

It all reeks of "Carmella being subbed in for Eva" when
you really stand back & observe it...and frankly it would
have made more sense for Eva to have this booking & it
would have allowed Carmella to stay a "scrappy face"
possibly teaming up with Naomi because hey...they both
like to dance right?

In the last 16 months Carmella has only won 6 televised
singles matches (including her cash in if you count it) &
has never won a singles match on pay per view.

Of her 6 victories...3 were against jobbers, 2 against
Naomi & of course her cash in after the IIconics had
done most of the work for her.

(Seriously that double powerbomb on the outside was brutal)

And of these 6 victories...only 2 of them were clean...
and that is only if you include her cash in.

Much like Nia Jax..her win/loss record is terrible & even
though many will say wins & losses don't matter...they
do to me.

Carmella is nothing but a joke...a female clown without
make up who I have begun describing as Hot...but Lame...
because that's really the best way to describe her.

Charlotte on the other hand...well...she's Charlotte Flair.

We all know how successful she has been in NXT & the
main roster & frankly the Queen has reached a stage in
her career where she doesn't need a title around her waist
to be star...especially after she was the first woman to defeat
Asuka in the WWE (I'm still not sure how I feel about that).

Now its possible Carmella was allowed to cash in after
Wrestlemania simply to get that post mania pop (much
like they did with Dolph Ziggler) & the WWE always
intended to put the title back on Charlotte at Backlash...

BUT...(Dakota Kai's Butt!)

If the plan if to have Carmella carry that title for longer than
a month...the WWE needs to allow her to finally achieve
something of note on her own.

Carmella NEEDS a clean win over Charlotte to retain at Backlash.

She needs something so she can be more than just Hot...but Lame.

Now of course I WANT Charlotte to regain the title so the
WWE can book another match between her & Asuka (with
Asuka going over this time) & possibly even booking a
triple threat title match involving Becky Lynch as well...
but if the WWE really want Carmella to amount to anything...
she needs a clean win over Charlotte at Backlash.

I don't care how they book it...have Carmella hit 5 superkicks
if you want...have Charlotte pass out in the Code of Silence...
just let Carmella achieve something important on her own.

What do you guys think?

Who will walk away from Backlash with the SDL Women's title?

Will the IIconics or Absolution play a role in the match?

Will Carmella finally achieve something on her own?

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Carmella needs to win this match? She’s been booked as a joke because she IS a joke. Should’ve never won MITB or had a successful cash-in. If you really want fans to continue to take the women’s division more seriously, then Carmella should tap to Charlotte in a 3-5min squash & become an eye candy valet/“manager” ... that is, if WWE MUST employ this woman. The only way she ever draws a dime is if she makes Paige-esque videos. She’s using up in-ring time that could belong to Asuka, Sasha, Baylee, etc. Shit, even Natalya Neidfart. (Maybe an ideal gimmick for Carmella)

 

[Grievous 3D]

Natalya Neidfart

Ha! Neidfart!

She’s been booked as a joke because she IS a joke. Should’ve never won MITB or had a successful cash-in. If you really want fans to continue to take the women’s division more seriously, then Carmella should tap to Charlotte in a 3-5min squash & become an eye candy valet/“manager” ... that is, if WWE MUST employ this woman.

Oh I agree 100%...

I'm just saying if they ever WANT to make Carmella
something more than a female clown without make-up...
this is the time to do it.

The only way she ever draws a dime is if she makes Paige-esque videos.

Wow...

:emoji_thinking:

That could work...I could see Carmella working for Brazzers.

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