Bret Harts return

[xFrenchKissx]

It's not being handled the way it should be handled, that's certain, but I think people are being impatient, sometimes sloowwwww build pays off and in this case, it really needs to.

I think I'm guilty of the same thing a lot of other people are too, and that is over thinking the angles. It's gotten to the point over the last few years that a lot of us have been able to predict what is going to happen before it does, and then I get no satisfaction out of being right, or wrong for that matter. I know I have spent way too much time analyzing this angle, and it isn't going where I've expected it to. The fact I don't know makes me excited about what has the WWE is doing but I don't ant to get my hopes up too high.

People claim they want slow, build up feuds, but this is just a proof they are lying, they in reality want to see the feuds last 4 weeks or less. Yes, you don't know where they are going with the Bret Hart deal, they could easily book Bret vs Vince and make the build up of Bret trying to get ready for the match. They could easily book the tag match Bret/Cena vs Batista/Vince, or they could easily book Cena vs Batista with those two on the corners.

Bottom line is, we shouldnt know where they are going just yet, if we are into 4 weeks into the build up for Mania and we sill dont know, then complain, but not now

Guilty of impatience, yeah. After all this time I've just gotten used to it. But I think it also has to do with the fact I can't imagine any of those matches being good. The Bret Hart I have in my head was still great in the ring and I want to hold on to those memories. I don't think any story line they can come up with involving him actually wrestling is going to do justice to that. I'm really hoping I'm wrong about this, and they manage to pull off something that is really memorable and doesn't taint those memories.

Disagree.

I think a lot of kids who watch wrestling know who Bret Hart is. It's not like he was some name that just fought for a bit and fucked off. He was a big name in wrestling. I'm sure kids have heard his name come up before or have seen his old matches. Even if they aren't fans, I don't think they are oblivious to who he is, even if they just know the name and nothing else.

Okay. But do you believe that Bret was brought back at this point for the younger fans benefit? I don't think so. He was brought back because a lot of the older fans remember him and they are banking on the unfinished business left over from Montreal. While the kids may know about it, they aren't as interested in the angle because it is targeted towards fans that experienced it.

You can't blame the Hart name. Dynasty are where they are for other reasons. It's not like they need to be pushed just because they carry the Hart name. Not too many people give a fuck about Dynasty simply because they aren't that great. If they made Dynasty face and gave them good feuds for an initial push, since being heel doesn't really seem to be going well for them, people would care. That's why people care about DiBiase and Rhodes. IMO, they are getting used way better than Dynasty and they are getting better exposure. People care if DiBiase and Rhodes fight/fall apart. No one cares what happens to Dynasty. It has nothing to do with people not caring about the Hart name.

Also true. But I think they recreated Dynasty in the footsteps of the Foundation and tried to bank on the fact that the Hart name would sell, and it didn't.

How is it not an angle? Bret came back, tried to make up with everyone, Vince still goes on about Bret 'deserving' to be screwed. The angle is that Vince wont let it go and is proud of what he did. Vince digs it in and being screwed was a very personal thing for Bret. I'm sure you'd be legit pissed if your enemy as rubbing something like that in. That's the whole point. Build up the rivalry by shoving it in the guy's face, building up hopes for some revenge.

It's more of a segment. The whole rivalry between the two of them would have been good if it had been able to be carried out like Austin/McMahon. Not exactly of course. But it's years too late to have been included as a Wrestlemania type storyline in my opinion. Fans wanted to see Bret vs McMahon and the way this works is it is going to be them feuding with other people standing in. Basically, they missed the boat on when this could have been an amazing story line, and now are going to end up with a shadow of would it could have been. In my opinion.

So you go on about how this generation 'doesn't know who Bret is' yet you talk about how Trump has a name people still know? Wow, I had no idea kids would know Trump over Bret.

Trump = Rich guy with the bad hair. He has been involved with the WWE in the last few years to some extent more than Bret Hart has. He was still on tv and in the public eye more than Bret was. Not saying he made a splash in the WWE that was especially memorable, but he has been involved to a degree while Bret just walked back into it after over a decade absence.

I wouldn't think it would be far fetched to think this whole farewell shit is just BS anyways and Bret will 'surprise' people by showing up at WM. He signed a contract until after WM. Unless that contract had has some kind of revisions we don't know about, Bret will be at WM. Otherwise, they simply would have done what you suggested and had him apologise while he was hosting and never show up again.

Exactly. We don't know. It could be great. It could be terrible. He could be gone next week like they are saying. He could have legitimately injured himself and not be involved at WM at all. He could show back up and pull of something incredible. The fact that we know about the contracts now is just another details to consider. It may mean something, it may not. Have to wait and see I guess.

 

[JurassicBonez]

I didn't like the angle from the beginning. All the hype over the Jan. 4th show was about Bret. I wasn't watching wrestling when he was so I didn't care. Then it's Bret Hart this, Bret Hart that. The hype for the shows that he shows up on are just that Bret Hart answers Vince, Vince answers Hart, Hart confronts Vince, I don't care. Now they dragged the damn title into the program. Did it really need it?

 

[xFrenchKissx]

I didn't like the angle from the beginning. All the hype over the Jan. 4th show was about Bret. I wasn't watching wrestling when he was so I didn't care. Then it's Bret Hart this, Bret Hart that. The hype for the shows that he shows up on are just that Bret Hart answers Vince, Vince answers Hart, Hart confronts Vince, I don't care. Now they dragged the damn title into the program. Did it really need it?

Thank you for sort of verifying my point. People who weren't big fans when the screw job went down, don't give a shit about this angle with Bret Hart.

 

[noumenon]

I didn't like the angle from the beginning. All the hype over the Jan. 4th show was about Bret. I wasn't watching wrestling when he was so I didn't care. Then it's Bret Hart this, Bret Hart that. The hype for the shows that he shows up on are just that Bret Hart answers Vince, Vince answers Hart, Hart confronts Vince, I don't care. Now they dragged the damn title into the program. Did it really need it?

Agreed. I mean aside from the not watching or caring about Bret (cause I did and do) you're completely right.

 

[straight_edge76]

Honestly, being a huge Bret Hart fan I was looking forward to his inital return and I expected some sort of Bret/Vince angle for Mania but tbh this is a total letdown. This angle could have been 1000% better imo if they would have kept the WWE championship out of it.

 

[Great One]

I don't understand why you are all saying the WWE title is involved in this. Are you even watching the show or just reading rumors and spinning them off as 100% true and valid?

 

[JurassicBonez]

Don't need to read spoilers or anything. It's right out in front of you. Tista attacked Bret because him and Vince made a deal that if Tista attacks Bret, he'll get the WWE title at EC. Cena threw his nose into Vince's buisness which is why Tista attacked him "randomly". Tista is now WWE champ. Tista is with Vince, Vince doesn't like Bret, Bret has Cena trying to stick up for him, Vince doesn't like it, he sends Tista to do his dirty work, it's one full circle.

 

[straight_edge76]

Don't need to read spoilers or anything. It's right out in front of you. Tista attacked Bret because him and Vince made a deal that if Tista attacks Bret, he'll get the WWE title at EC. Cena threw his nose into Vince's buisness which is why Tista attacked him "randomly". Tista is now WWE champ. Tista is with Vince, Vince doesn't like Bret, Bret has Cena trying to stick up for him, Vince doesn't like it, he sends Tista to do his dirty work, it's one full circle.

This^
And with the was the WWE's booking has been shitty and predictable for quite some time now. Tista/Cena for WWE title with Vince/Bret has been basically predicted ever since Bret came back.

 

[LadyHotrod]

I didn't like the angle from the beginning. All the hype over the Jan. 4th show was about Bret. I wasn't watching wrestling when he was so I didn't care. Then it's Bret Hart this, Bret Hart that. The hype for the shows that he shows up on are just that Bret Hart answers Vince, Vince answers Hart, Hart confronts Vince, I don't care. Now they dragged the damn title into the program. Did it really need it?

The screwjob was one of the biggest things in wrestling. It's a part of 'history' now and, yes, while it was brought bac for us older fans who were watching wrestling at the time, it was also brought back so people who weren't watching it could get an interest in it and see what happened. Every single fan has heard of the screwjob, whether they were around at the time or not, so this is getting new fans interested in the event. Some don't care, that's natural, but it has for sure gotten some buzz from newer fans who find it to be a big deal while the rest of us are basically at the 'not this again' point in our lives.

Forgove me, xFrenckKissx, I will respond to your points, I'm just too lazy right now to make a long post, lol, but I want to touch on some stuff. Good convo, btw.

 

[straight_edge76]

Nicely put, I vaguely remember the screwjob when it happened but just the fact that the WWE is bringing it up directly, has almost been looked at as a taboo by Vince McMahon. That alone is rather complelling imo. It also gives the younger/newer fans an idea on how Vince McMahon came to be what he is today in kayfabe terms a evil, tyrant who will mainipulate anyone to get what he wants.

 

[JurassicBonez]

The screwjob was one of the biggest things in wrestling. It's a part of 'history' now and, yes, while it was brought bac for us older fans who were watching wrestling at the time, it was also brought back so people who weren't watching it could get an interest in it and see what happened. Every single fan has heard of the screwjob, whether they were around at the time or not, so this is getting new fans interested in the event. Some don't care, that's natural, but it has for sure gotten some buzz from newer fans who find it to be a big deal while the rest of us are basically at the 'not this again' point in our lives.

Forgove me, xFrenckKissx, I will respond to your points, I'm just too lazy right now to make a long post, lol, but I want to touch on some stuff. Good convo, btw.

I understand that. I know what the screw job is. I've read about it, watched the videos, etc. I've seen Bret's matches online/dvd's, I know who he is, what he's done, but I just didn't care that he was returning after some odd years to the E. Didn't care about his big moment with HBK. Don't care for his feud with Vince.

Look at it in this scenario, the 1st dog I've ever dad a couple years ago, do you honestly care? I have 3 different remotes for my tv cause I keep losing them, do you care? No. Why? Because you didn't know my dog. You don't care about my remotes. I wasn't watching Bret when he was in the E so I don't care about what's going on with him. It was an emotional moment for some people. It was history to others. Just not part of my history.

 

[xFrenchKissx]

The screwjob was one of the biggest things in wrestling. It's a part of 'history' now and, yes, while it was brought bac for us older fans who were watching wrestling at the time, it was also brought back so people who weren't watching it could get an interest in it and see what happened. Every single fan has heard of the screwjob, whether they were around at the time or not, so this is getting new fans interested in the event. Some don't care, that's natural, but it has for sure gotten some buzz from newer fans who find it to be a big deal while the rest of us are basically at the 'not this again' point in our lives.

Forgove me, xFrenckKissx, I will respond to your points, I'm just too lazy right now to make a long post, lol, but I want to touch on some stuff. Good convo, btw.

Everyone has heard of it, and no doubt the story line going on now will create new interest where people who weren't watching when it happened can go back and see what the big deal was. If that's what they were aiming for, I'm all for it. Creating new interest while providing some closure to the situation for us old time fans is a win.

Intertwining the story line in the Main Event picture is what I don't like about it.

And lol, I was all ready to come back here and see what you disagreed with me about this time. It's great fun bouncing back and forth about things. I do sometimes know what it is I am talking about. I just like to argue both sides in certain situations to see where it leads everyone else, because I like having my opinions broadened by some of the other members opinions. Sometimes it just takes a little nudge to open up all kinds of new possibilities.

And thanks

 

[Great One]

Don't need to read spoilers or anything. It's right out in front of you. Tista attacked Bret because him and Vince made a deal that if Tista attacks Bret, he'll get the WWE title at EC. Cena threw his nose into Vince's buisness which is why Tista attacked him "randomly". Tista is now WWE champ. Tista is with Vince, Vince doesn't like Bret, Bret has Cena trying to stick up for him, Vince doesn't like it, he sends Tista to do his dirty work, it's one full circle.

This^
And with the was the WWE's booking has been shitty and predictable for quite some time now. Tista/Cena for WWE title with Vince/Bret has been basically predicted ever since Bret came back.

Uhh.. the Batista vs. Cena match has ALREADY been announced for WM. Vince/Bret won't be in the match, and if they're in the corners (which I also doubt) I don't see how that's them being involved with the WWE title. It's clearly Batista vs. Cena and the past 2-3 weeks of beating and promos between the two (just this monday..) has signified that.

 

[JurassicBonez]

But the only reason these 2 are in a match with the title is because of the Vince/Bret story. They made that obvious. I don't know if Bret and Vince will have a match at Mania, but if they don't (the car accident angle) they these 2 could be their reps. So whether they (Bret/Vince) are going to have a match at Mania or not, Tista and Cena are already involved in the storyline. So IF Bret wont be able to wrestle, they have their back up plan.

 

[kingovkings]

I get what Jurassic saying about the Whole full circle thing with the WWE title. But i personally feel that they dont need the title in that match.
They could have easily used the match Cena/Tista had were Tista was supposed to have injured Cena's neck with a tista bomb of the top rope, And more recently Cena throwing tista out of the rumble.

I just think that the title would have been better left on Sheamus to help build him up as the dominant animal he was suppose to be.