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What is going on with this angle. Some chick hits him with a car, and breaks his leg. Where is this leading, or is this just something to take him off tv?


What does everyone think of his return? I felt it was just ok. I liked how they built up HBK/Bret with the handshake, and i loved when vince kicked Bret in the balls. Then the build up for Bret returning to get his hands on Vince was odd, cause Batista for no reason just comes out and attacks him. Where is the hart dynasty in all this? Was Bret just used to set up Batista vs. Cena at WM. Anyone think Bret is just old and crazy now.

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I'm totally bored of this angle, every time I see a Vince and Bret promo I feel like killing myself, it's just the same thing over again, Bret thinks he's got somewhere, he get's kicked in the balls, Bret thinks he's got somewhere, he get's attacked by Batista, Bret thinks he's got somewhere (a match at WM), Vince turns him down, Bret thinks he's got somewhere, he get's in a FUCKING CAR CRASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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My main problem with this is that WWE has the return of Bret hart...and it's being treated like a midcard angle. I have no problem with Batista's involvement or stuff (because for me, saying Vince hired him is more than enough as an explanation), and I don't have a problem with the build of Bret geaten screwed week after week because like we have seen with HBK in 2006, that just will make for an ever sweeter beat down at Mania when it comes.

But we have seen that WWE can put a Vince Mcmahon program all over our programming and hype it like there's no tomorrow. Are you telling me Donald Trump deserves that but all Bret gets are two hyped appareances, one random appareance at the overrun of the show and then a segment saying goodbye and gettting ran over not even at the top of the hour of the show? Bad. Bret and Vince should be plasted all over WWE.com, announcers should be talking of that shit week in and week out and practically closing every Raw.
 

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What is going on with this angle. Some chick hits him with a car, and breaks his leg. Where is this leading, or is this just something to take him off tv?


What does everyone think of his return? I felt it was just ok. I liked how they built up HBK/Bret with the handshake, and i loved when vince kicked Bret in the balls. Then the build up for Bret returning to get his hands on Vince was odd, cause Batista for no reason just comes out and attacks him. Where is the hart dynasty in all this? Was Bret just used to set up Batista vs. Cena at WM. Anyone think Bret is just old and crazy now.

Doesn't seem like there is a thread dedicated to this, so here it is.

Think we went over this a little bit in the free flow thread. But, I think this is just WWE painting itself into a corner.

I like Bret Hart. I was excited to see him come back. Even though they changed his music, which I think was a big mistake. He comes back, he talks to the fans, we all get some closure to the events in Montreal. That should have been it.

Then they waited weeks to bring him back, allowing everyone who didn't know who Bret Hart is, (kids) to be like 'who the hell is this old guy and why is he back again?' WWE is just not letting this go, and it is never going to come of anything. Hart can't wrestle. Nobody wants to even see him attempt to get in the ring. It's a lose/lose situation for everyone involved, and I think they car crash angle was just thrown together as an excuse as to why he won't be wrestling, which all could have been avoided if they had just had him return as a host and let it go.

If they had let him manage the Dynasty, I would have been interested to see it. But who else would have? Bret can't back up anything in the ring. The Hart name means nothing to this new generation of fans, otherwise the Dynasty would have already been over. The addition of Bret Hart isn't going to change anything, in my opinion. Bret is in no shape to wrestle, he is an empty threat, a vehicle to further a story line that is going to be just as lame with or without him.

My main problem with this is that WWE has the return of Bret hart...and it's being treated like a midcard angle. I have no problem with Batista's involvement or stuff (because for me, saying Vince hired him is more than enough as an explanation), and I don't have a problem with the build of Bret geaten screwed week after week because like we have seen with HBK in 2006, that just will make for an ever sweeter beat down at Mania when it comes.

What else could they have treated it as? It really isn't ANY angle. Bringing Bret back week after week isn't a build up for anything. He is not capable of wrestling. I just don't see it. So what if they keep him there until Mania. What is he going to do, interfere in the ME so someone gets DQd, thus not requiring the WWE to give us a decent match at the biggest show of the year? And in the meantime? Nobody but us dedicated fans even know who Bret Hart IS.

But we have seen that WWE can put a Vince Mcmahon program all over our programming and hype it like there's no tomorrow. Are you telling me Donald Trump deserves that but all Bret gets are two hyped appareances, one random appareance at the overrun of the show and then a segment saying goodbye and gettting ran over not even at the top of the hour of the show? Bad. Bret and Vince should be plasted all over WWE.com, announcers should be talking of that shit week in and week out and practically closing every Raw.

Nobody expected Trump to be anything but what he was. Trump has a name people still know. I don't think that this is the farewell Bret Hart deserved, and it all could have been avoided if they just let it go at the first appearance. Dragging it out week after week is just letting people believe that something is going to come of it, and Bret Hart isn't capable of delivering in the ring, the most he can do is interfere.

I think the fact that the WWE ISN'T building it up as if there is going to be a huge thing revolving around it is because there isn't. They either know that building it up is going to result in a huge let down, or they are planning a swerve. Maybe Bret is going to appear at Mania and align himself with Vince. I wouldn't be surprised.
 

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Exactly, to treat this as a "main event" angle leading into Mania with no title involved and two of the 4 participants not even being able to wrestle a match (well, Vince can...just not well) it would just be ridiculous. The entire culmination of this seemed like it would be nothing more than Bret locking in the sharp shooter on Vince at Mania, but now with the whole broken leg thing... who the fuck knows.
As I said in another thread, why not just call it for what it is. They admitted Austin could no longer wrestle...so why not do the same with Bret? Just come out and say the guy had a stroke and can't wrestle rather than go the ridiculous route of having them pull jackets over each other's head to throw punches. The fan is starting to get involved a little bit but I think mainly thanks to Cena at this point.
Batista's heel turn has bored the hell out of me up until this point and even all of this isn't enough to make me care about it. I would have much preferred them to just use HHH or even a younger talent like Drew who is already "hand picked" by Vince.
 

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Exactly, to treat this as a "main event" angle leading into Mania with no title involved and two of the 4 participants not even being able to wrestle a match (well, Vince can...just not well) it would just be ridiculous. The entire culmination of this seemed like it would be nothing more than Bret locking in the sharp shooter on Vince at Mania, but now with the whole broken leg thing... who the fuck knows.
As I said in another thread, why not just call it for what it is. They admitted Austin could no longer wrestle...so why not do the same with Bret? Just come out and say the guy had a stroke and can't wrestle rather than go the ridiculous route of having them pull jackets over each other's head to throw punches. The fan is starting to get involved a little bit but I think mainly thanks to Cena at this point.
Batista's heel turn has bored the hell out of me up until this point and even all of this isn't enough to make me care about it. I would have much preferred them to just use HHH or even a younger talent like Drew who is already "hand picked" by Vince.
No, maybe that's not what's going to happen. Vince will come out tonight and surely and in the most serious fashion, lol, (like he usually does.. that's what makes it good) accept Bret Hart's challenge for mega heat. Obviously, Bret has his broken leg or whatever, but it COULD lead to Bret Hart accepting the challenge and eventually returning at WM 100% healed (or the night before) and Cena/Hart revealing they planned the whole thing to make Vince accept the challenge. Whether Hart would have played out the whole gimped thing is wishful thinking, lol. That or they'll just take the cheap route and like you said, he'll accept, but they'll use Cena/Batista as their frontmen.
 

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Yeah, I was thinking perhaps Bret and Cena are trying to work Vince over with the broken leg thing... leading to Bret being able to say "I SCREWED YOU VINCE DURHURHURHUR!"
 

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The thing with putting so many 180 degree turns in a row to try and throw everyone off track is, it usually comes full circle and bites you right in the ass. I'm not even going to try and guess about what is going to happen. I'll just assume it is going to blow, so when it does, I'm not let down.
 
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It's not being handled the way it should be handled, that's certain, but I think people are being impatient, sometimes sloowwwww build pays off and in this case, it really needs to.
 

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I have to admit, I was excited when Hart returned (at this point not knowing about the stroke) because I had never actually seen him wrestle properly and i thought there was a chance that he would be in a match against HBK, but then when I found out that he couldn't wrestle, I have to admit, I lost interest.
 

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People claim they want slow, build up feuds, but this is just a proof they are lying, they in reality want to see the feuds last 4 weeks or less. Yes, you don't know where they are going with the Bret Hart deal, they could easily book Bret vs Vince and make the build up of Bret trying to get ready for the match. They could easily book the tag match Bret/Cena vs Batista/Vince, or they could easily book Cena vs Batista with those two on the corners.

Bottom line is, we shouldnt know where they are going just yet, if we are into 4 weeks into the build up for Mania and we sill dont know, then complain, but not now
 

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The entire culmination of this seemed like it would be nothing more than Bret locking in the sharp shooter on Vince at Mania.

Which in itself would most likely be botchd somehow.

I can honestly say that I was 100% behind a Bret Hart return to the WWE; but nowhere near a match at Wrestle Mania of all places. I could see this turning into a Cena/Batista match with Bret/Vince in the respective corners. Ultimately turning into like noumenon said Bret slapping the Sharpshooter on Vince.

Honestly though the Hart return is imo to little to late; the majority of fans who remember the screw job like I have said before have either stopped watching wrestling or simply don't care anymore. Most of the people watching have next to no clue who Bret Hart was and why his return was such a huge deal.
 

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Think we went over this a little bit in the free flow thread. But, I think this is just WWE painting itself into a corner.

I like Bret Hart. I was excited to see him come back. Even though they changed his music, which I think was a big mistake. He comes back, he talks to the fans, we all get some closure to the events in Montreal. That should have been it.

Then they waited weeks to bring him back, allowing everyone who didn't know who Bret Hart is, (kids) to be like 'who the hell is this old guy and why is he back again?' WWE is just not letting this go, and it is never going to come of anything. Hart can't wrestle. Nobody wants to even see him attempt to get in the ring. It's a lose/lose situation for everyone involved, and I think they car crash angle was just thrown together as an excuse as to why he won't be wrestling, which all could have been avoided if they had just had him return as a host and let it go.

Disagree.

I think a lot of kids who watch wrestling know who Bret Hart is. It's not like he was some name that just fought for a bit and fucked off. He was a big name in wrestling. I'm sure kids have heard his name come up before or have seen his old matches. Even if they aren't fans, I don't think they are oblivious to who he is, even if they just know the name and nothing else.

If they had let him manage the Dynasty, I would have been interested to see it. But who else would have? Bret can't back up anything in the ring. The Hart name means nothing to this new generation of fans, otherwise the Dynasty would have already been over. The addition of Bret Hart isn't going to change anything, in my opinion. Bret is in no shape to wrestle, he is an empty threat, a vehicle to further a story line that is going to be just as lame with or without him.

You can't blame the Hart name. Dynasty are where they are for other reasons. It's not like they need to be pushed just because they carry the Hart name. Not too many people give a fuck about Dynasty simply because they aren't that great. If they made Dynasty face and gave them good feuds for an initial push, since being heel doesn't really seem to be going well for them, people would care. That's why people care about DiBiase and Rhodes. IMO, they are getting used way better than Dynasty and they are getting better exposure. People care if DiBiase and Rhodes fight/fall apart. No one cares what happens to Dynasty. It has nothing to do with people not caring about the Hart name.


What else could they have treated it as? It really isn't ANY angle. Bringing Bret back week after week isn't a build up for anything. He is not capable of wrestling. I just don't see it. So what if they keep him there until Mania. What is he going to do, interfere in the ME so someone gets DQd, thus not requiring the WWE to give us a decent match at the biggest show of the year? And in the meantime? Nobody but us dedicated fans even know who Bret Hart IS.

How is it not an angle? Bret came back, tried to make up with everyone, Vince still goes on about Bret 'deserving' to be screwed. The angle is that Vince wont let it go and is proud of what he did. Vince digs it in and being screwed was a very personal thing for Bret. I'm sure you'd be legit pissed if your enemy as rubbing something like that in. That's the whole point. Build up the rivalry by shoving it in the guy's face, building up hopes for some revenge.


Nobody expected Trump to be anything but what he was. Trump has a name people still know. I don't think that this is the farewell Bret Hart deserved, and it all could have been avoided if they just let it go at the first appearance. Dragging it out week after week is just letting people believe that something is going to come of it, and Bret Hart isn't capable of delivering in the ring, the most he can do is interfere.

So you go on about how this generation 'doesn't know who Bret is' yet you talk about how Trump has a name people still know? Wow, I had no idea kids would know Trump over Bret.

I think the fact that the WWE ISN'T building it up as if there is going to be a huge thing revolving around it is because there isn't. They either know that building it up is going to result in a huge let down, or they are planning a swerve. Maybe Bret is going to appear at Mania and align himself with Vince. I wouldn't be surprised.

I wouldn't think it would be far fetched to think this whole farewell shit is just BS anyways and Bret will 'surprise' people by showing up at WM. He signed a contract until after WM. Unless that contract had has some kind of revisions we don't know about, Bret will be at WM. Otherwise, they simply would have done what you suggested and had him apologise while he was hosting and never show up again.