Borderlands Mafia [DAY TWO] - FIRST OFFICIAL GAME OF 2022

[Smart Marx]

why so lol
just playstyle difference thats all

I get different play I’ve seen other people from other sites also play a little differently but you do so many things that seem antithetical to helping town it’s crazy to me.

 

[Ekkologix]

not sure why blain claimes vt either
could of held it longer and baited a kill by fake claiming a PR

his play reminds me of his coal play so far. claim and coast

 

[Smart Marx]

solving via claims is a good way to lose the game

fwiw jeff and lethal could be lying about being vanilla. i have no reason to belive them.

Your second line just proved while your first one is untrue

 

[Ekkologix]

I get different play I’ve seen other people from other sites also play a little differently but you do so many things that seem antithetical to helping town it’s crazy to me.

well as long as it cripples and confuses mafia or helps town win it shud be fine. i can understand i come off as a selfish a hole prick and bully sometimes but its all in game stuff. i dont have anything against the players outside of the game.

ive been quiet tame here all things considered. just doing my thing. i will reassess my thread position and reads depending on how todays lynch go

 

[Ekkologix]

Your second line just proved while your first one is untrue

what if the whole game claims villager. what u do now

 

[Ekkologix]

thoughts on doddsy from everyone would be nice

 

[Smart Marx]

what if the whole game claims villager. what u do now

Hunt on play.

It’s not supposed to be all or nothing.

I don’t like people that hunt purely off claims, either, but if someone claims cop, you don’t still lynch them.

And if some claims roleblocker, you don’t auto lynch them if their play has been super solid town. You read the claim and the play and work that through everything else.

But, not everyone will claim vt in most games where. The average game here has 3 vanillas tops.

This game will be different. There’s probably only a doctor and cop so yeah, claims aren’t as helpful.

 

[Ekkologix]

Hunt on play.

It’s not supposed to be all or nothing.

I don’t like people that hunt purely off claims, either, but if someone claims cop, you don’t still lynch them.

And if some claims roleblocker, you don’t auto lynch them if their play has been super solid town. You read the claim and the play and work that through everything else.

But, not everyone will claim vt in most games where. The average game here has 3 vanillas tops.

This game will be different. There’s probably only a doctor and cop so yeah, claims aren’t as helpful.

so overall u agree that play is the ultimate tell if someone is town or scum correct? claim shouldnt influence that read, specially in a game where the OP says claims r NAI

so do u not think its odd people ask for claims easily? i get asking inactive slots for claims. this is the fastest way to give u info from them. my problem is when people vote a player and say i demand a claim to move on. the fk does a claim help there? that confuses. if u vote someone then u need their play to improve so u move on, not need them to claim. do u see why this mentality bothers me

the more villager claims we get the more we help mafia know who the PRs are and they get to shoot them easily. this is really bad for town

 

[Smart Marx]

so overall u agree that play is the ultimate tell if someone is town or scum correct? claim shouldnt influence that read, specially in a game where the OP says claims r NAI

so do u not think its odd people ask for claims easily? i get asking inactive slots for claims. this is the fastest way to give u info from them. my problem is when people vote a player and say i demand a claim to move on. the fk does a claim help there? that confuses. if u vote someone then u need their play to improve so u move on, not need them to claim. do u see why this mentality bothers me

the more villager claims we get the more we help mafia know who the PRs are and they get to shoot them easily. this is really bad for town

It depends. If someone claims cop and they’re not countered, then their play is completely irrelevant.

If someone claims Jailkeeper and their play is null at best and if there is a bodyguard in the game which is half the same utility, they’re definitely scum, but if there’s no bodyguard and their play is good, you overlook the scummier role claim. It all depends on the claims.

 

[Smart Marx]

It depends. If someone claims cop and they’re not countered, then their play is completely irrelevant.

If someone claims Jailkeeper and their play is null at best and if there is a bodyguard in the game which is half the same utility, they’re definitely scum, but if there’s no bodyguard and their play is good, you overlook the scummier role claim. It all depends on the claims.

Follow up on this it also depends on how the bodyguard is playing too.

 

[Ekkologix]

It depends. If someone claims cop and they’re not countered, then their play is completely irrelevant.

If someone claims Jailkeeper and their play is null at best and if there is a bodyguard in the game which is half the same utility, they’re definitely scum, but if there’s no bodyguard and their play is good, you overlook the scummier role claim. It all depends on the claims.

ive seen a game with 3 town roleblocker and games with no town cop. i am guessing the meta here is stale if u can solve the game based on claims. if couple of games happened here where mafia had a cop fake claim and town had no cop then claims will finally lose its power maybe lol

 

[Smart Marx]

ive seen a game with 3 town roleblocker and games with no town cop. i am guessing the meta here is stale if u can solve the game based on claims. if couple of games happened here where mafia had a cop fake claim and town had no cop then claims will finally lose its power maybe lol

Yeah you’re not gonna have three town blockers and no cop in a game here people would call that broken.

And in my entire time playing I’ve only seen two games that didn’t have a town cop so it’s not like it never happens but it is so rare you’re not going to risk lynching the town cop unless you’re absolutely sure that they are scum and even then it’s it’s a really hard crapshoot.

 

[Smart Marx]

ive seen a game with 3 town roleblocker and games with no town cop. i am guessing the meta here is stale if u can solve the game based on claims. if couple of games happened here where mafia had a cop fake claim and town had no cop then claims will finally lose its power maybe lol

And that already happened. That’s one of those two games I’m talking about but for real change something like that would have to happen consistently and regularly.

That being said I don’t want that to change. The one thing in Mafia that the town absolutely have to be able to trust is the cop. And I know you’re not gonna understand this because you’re the person I believe that faked the cop shot and this is the reason why so many people were mad at you about that.

 

[Poyser]

I’ve never seen a game solved by the setup btw. There’s a few consistencies in setups to ensure they’re not fucked like but there’s so much room for variation that you’re never just gonna solve it from the setup

 

[Comrade Khan]

So who hasnt spoken or voted