Money in the Bank Big E Rumor

[Solid Snake]

Woods would be like Enzo... All mic, no wins.

He can play his nerd strengths and be like a Santino character that does things for comedy. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Redboy123@]

Woods would be like Enzo... All mic, no wins.

Well considering Woods can actually wrestle and has won singles matches (most recently former world champ Sheamus) and that Enzo became a champion by winning matches. I don't know how you came to that conclusion.

 

[Arrow1]

Well considering Woods can actually wrestle and has won singles matches (most recently former world champ Sheamus) and that Enzo became a champion by winning matches. I don't know how you came to that conclusion.

I never said he wasn't good in-ring performance. WWE just doesn't know how to book. They think all the champions have to be big dudes or extremely huge names. Or both.. Example: Styles and Lesnar. Take for granted Styles actually has great in-ring performance, even though they severely limit it. Lesnar has in-ring performance, but apparently they just want to shows suplexes and F5s. They're just now starting to promote other cultures like Japan, UK, India.. etc.

Overall, WWE doesn't showcase their talent on the main brands very well, whereas indie promotions do. NXT does a good job of showcasing performance too. 205 Live, they don't showcase as much as they could, except for the Luchas. (Hence Luchas being my favorite entertainers in WWE)

 

[Redboy123@]

I never said he wasn't good in-ring performance. WWE just doesn't know how to book. They think all the champions have to be big dudes or extremely huge names. Or both.. Example: Styles and Lesnar. Take for granted Styles actually has great in-ring performance, even though they severely limit it. Lesnar has in-ring performance, but apparently they just want to shows suplexes and F5s. They're just now starting to promote other cultures like Japan, UK, India.. etc.

The fact AJ Styles is WWE champion shows times have changed. WWE has embraced indy culture

 

[Arrow1]

The fact AJ Styles is WWE champion shows times have changed. WWE has embraced indy culture

A lot of Superstars have an Indy background though. Just AJ Styles is literally the best. Phenomenal isn't just his WWE gimmick. He actually is phenomenal at what he does.

 

[Jay-Ashley]

205 Live, they don't showcase as much as they could, except for the Luchas. (Hence Luchas being my favorite entertainers in WWE)

Off topic, but that line got my attention. I actually think 205 Live showcases the other styles just as well as the Lucha style. You have Drew Gulak with the traditional British/American Tech wrestling, Akria and Hideo showcasing Strong Style, Cedric Alexander showcasing the modern day High Flying style, Bubby Murphy, I think is his name, showcases the Powerhouse style, and of course Lucha House Part showcases Lucha Libre. You get a pretty decent amount of different styles being showcased.

 

[Redboy123@]

A lot of Superstars have an Indy background though. Just AJ Styles is literally the best. Phenomenal isn't just his WWE gimmick. He actually is phenomenal at what he does.

yh no shit. WWE had no intention of pushing AJ as a main eventer. But now they are more integrated into indy culture they had no choice but to push him to the top. Being an 'indy guy' is no longer a disadvantage in WWE

 

[Arrow1]

yh no shit. WWE had no intention of pushing AJ as a main eventer. But now they are more integrated into indy culture they had no choice but to push him to the top. Being an 'indy guy' is no longer a disadvantage in WWE

More like Styles had no intention of going to WWE because they limit what he can actually do and say in-ring. The reason you're seeing a lot of good talent is because Impact Wrestling is trash now, which is where Styles came from. Same with Lashley, Bobby Roode, EC3... Etc.

 

[Arrow1]

Off topic, but that line got my attention. I actually think 205 Live showcases the other styles just as well as the Lucha style. You have Drew Gulak with the traditional British/American Tech wrestling, Akria and Hideo showcasing Strong Style, Cedric Alexander showcasing the modern day High Flying style, Bubby Murphy, I think is his name, showcases the Powerhouse style, and of course Lucha House Part showcases Lucha Libre. You get a pretty decent amount of different styles being showcased.

Yeah, they showcase the different styles for sure. They limit actual performance % though.

 

[Jay-Ashley]

Yeah, they showcase the different styles for sure. They limit actual performance % though.

You didn't say 205 limits them, and honestly, I agree and yet disagree with that at the same time.

Is it true that WWE limits its wrestler's ability to wrestle? Yes to an extent though because remember WWE really isn't about having great wrestling skill, just look at Carmella, or how good you do promos, look at Asuka, the only thing WWE cares about how profitable are you and how you perform because remember WWE is performance theater with wrestling in it while other promotions like New Japan, CMLL, ROH, or whatever see professional wrestling as a sport in a sense. Now, I will say if you watch an AJ match in TNA or New Japan and compare the two or three you will see a board moveset and be like "Why can't they AJ do this type of stuff in WWE?" and there is a reason to that. A wrestler in WWE is like a racehorse and just like racehorse owners, WWE doesn't want them to do too much and get injured because then they lose money on that wrestler so to say. Also, I do think when it comes to big-time PPVs like SummerSlam and such then WWE allows them to do more moves if they convince WWE to allow them to do more if it means more people will be entertained and safe, you know.

So does it suck that WWE limits it's wrestler moveset/skill absolutely because I know what they can do and I want to see them do Yes it does suck because I know AJ has great skill, I know Joe has great skill, I know Asuka has great skill, I know Becky and Finn have great skill, Kofi and Xavier have great skill, but at the of the day that doesn't mean a whole lot to WWE because you are an entertainer and not a wrestler, which is sad.

 

[Arrow1]

I agree with that completely. Just look at what happened with Sin Cara. The dude wrestled too good, and how opponent couldn't handle it and got injured.

WWE needs to match skill levels with skill levels, and keep it entertaining with promos. That way the raw talent that the performers posses, isn't limited. For example.. Finn Balor vs Kofi Kingston. They could both go 80-90% and probably not get injured because they can keep up with each other's tempo. AJ Styles vs Johnny Gargano could go probably 100% if they wanted to. The talent those two passes are unmatched.

Alas in the end, this is PG Era, so wrestling will never be as good anymore in WWE on the two main brands.

 

[Redboy123@]

Alas in the end, this is PG Era, so wrestling will never be as good anymore in WWE on the two main brands.

Thats not why WWE will never be as good. It's because they have pulled back the curtain too much. You can leave your dick jokes in the attitude era. WWE being PG is not the reason WWE isn't as good. You can't blame it on a rating.

 

[Arrow1]

Thats not why WWE will never be as good. It's because they have pulled back the curtain too much. You can leave your dick jokes in the attitude era. WWE being PG is not the reason WWE isn't as good. You can't blame it on a rating.

But I can. Go back and look at the matches on WCW or Nitro. The performances were put at full potential, and the promos were straight to the point and not cringe and cheesy and dragged out like it is now in the PG Era.

So I disagree. I think rating has everything to do with it.

 

[Jay-Ashley]

I agree with that completely. Just look at what happened with Sin Cara. The dude wrestled too good, and how opponent couldn't handle it and got injured.

WWE needs to match skill levels with skill levels, and keep it entertaining with promos. That way the raw talent that the performers posses, isn't limited. For example.. Finn Balor vs Kofi Kingston. They could both go 80-90% and probably not get injured because they can keep up with each other's tempo. AJ Styles vs Johnny Gargano could go probably 100% if they wanted to. The talent those two passes are unmatched.

Alas in the end, this is PG Era, so wrestling will never be as good anymore in WWE on the two main brands.

I will agree with that because if someone has never faced a Lucha style wrestler they tend to mess up on moves and such and looks bad, which can also hurt the style they want to showcase as well.

Oh, I will agree on that because it would be like if you took David Ortiz from the Red Sox and replaced all his teammates with high school baseball players. The skills don't match like you said and it just makes both people look awful. Another example is watching Asuka vs Charlotte or any other female wrestlers wrestle. Asuka has to slow down so that the other wrestler can catch up to her speed and it makes the match slow.

PG, PG-13, MA, AO, G, or whatever else doesn't really influence the skill of wrestling is shown it just influences what can and can't be said or even shown. The skill it is influenced by who runs the company and the creative team in a sense, but maybe when Triple H takes control then maybe we can see the stuff on 205 and NXT on Raw and Smackdown.

It's because they have pulled back the curtain too much.

This, I have to agree on. I think WWE has exposed itself so much that many people don't find it entertaining anymore to some degree because WWE is doing so much with Total Divas, Total Bellas, Miz's show, and everything on The Network people are just getting fatigued and by becoming that way they can settle for mediocre wrestling in a sense.

 

[Redboy123@]

cringe and cheesy and dragged out like it is now in the PG Era.

Blame that on the writing, not PG rating.