Are We All Idiots?

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JurassicBonez

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It's because they've worked out what gets ratings. Somehow, we hate the product so much, but I bet you watch RAW each week regardless, just cos it's WWE.

I honestly did this. But mainly it was because I was waiting for something to happen and didn't want to miss it. Sheamus in the title, kept me watching only for his reign to be weak. Kingston/Orton was great when it started, but that started losing its heat. Miz has grown at an extrodinary rate and is a heat magnet, yet he's just floating in the mid card. Carlito returning to confront Cena was great, now he's jobbing. MVP, Swagger, Bourne, have all been reduced to jobbers. That's what kept me watching, those are the guys that kept me watching RAW, but shit after shit after shit, I just gave up.

I started my boycott on RAW this week. Now it's only ECW that I watch and that's just for Christian and Benjamin.
 

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The ratings could go UP if they actually improved the product. Right now, they only have the interest of the kiddies. But if they actually do something worth watching, more of the adults will start watching and BAM~!, the rating goes up.
 

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It's simply lack of competition TBH.

Which is why I'm telling everyone not to be so quick to judge TNA at this point. WWE has no other wrestling program ATM that it's going head to head with. If you want to watch wrestling, your only option at this point is WWE. And honestly, what the fuck else is on Monday nights from 9-11? Nothing else worth watching that I know of. So I simply flip on RAW and veg out.
You know damn well if there was an alternative out there that was far better quality than RAW all of us would change the channel in a fucking second. Well...WRESTLING fans at least. WWE has the market cornered on children and always will, which is the vast majority of the wrestling world. So i honestly wouldn't expect any company to ever trump them. But someone could definitely give them a run for their money.
 
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There is some good stuff, like Miz, Sheamus (I think it'll end in a screwball finish to push the program to the Rumble), everytime DX wrestles (everything else they do is sucky) Jericho has been awesome for the past two years, we've been getting decent main events. I just DVR it mostly and spot watch.

I don't think people are idiots for thinking what they don't like what's become of the E means everyone else does. No one here is Vince and no one here has any credibility to do what he does. It's his product, he knows who he's catering to, and he knows why. He doesn't want to cater to the low brow because he knows how much scrutiny his product has come under since the lid was blown off with the Benoit and steroids issues. He's doing everything he can to distance himself from that image, not for the fan's sake, for his company's sake. It's even mentioned in the company's mission statement what they do, and that's sports entertainment, not wrestling. Don't like what he's doing? Fine, tune out. He's got his loyal fanbase who buy tickets, DVDs, merchandise and PPVs in droves, more than any ten promotions on the planet combined. He is the undisputed king of the biz, and if you want rasslin go somehwere else. The E is in no fear of losing it's foothold to competition, only to perceived media image. And that's really all they have to fear, so if going out of their way to hire celebrity hosts to get publicity to show ex-fans and the general public that they aren't really the smutty company that employs roid abusers that they're perceived to be, than so be it. It's working. Everything indicates thus.

The real idiots are the people who continually bitch, moan and belly ache about the product. "Oh nos, there's no blood. There can be no good matches with out blood!! Oh nos! It's rated PG! It's automatically kiddie hour! It sucks!" We fucking get it. If you really believe that then you don't know shit about wrestling. Shut the fuck up already, if you really hated it that much you wouldn't bother posting stupid, uneducated snide remarks all the time. You'd just ignore it and forget about it.

I talk alot of shit about TNA, so I am slightly guilty of this to an extent but I truly want to see it prosper and only knock the poor decisions being made behind the curtain and rarely (maybe only 3 times) do I go into the TNA forum and bash in there. I do my bashing in the rumors section, and I don't claim I'm going to boycott the shit like EVERY FUCKING DAY. I'm just really selective of who and what I watch from there (basically Nigel, Hernandez, Angle, Kong and MCMG). So if you're going to boycott the WWE for doing what Vince thinks he has to do and think EVERYTHING he does is stupid, than your stupid, because his main events deliver. Cena may be kid friendly but every PPV he's mainevented he's delivered. DX sucks, but when they wrestle, they deliver. There is wrestling in all the "sports entertainment", you just got to look for it.

The NWA of the 80s was hands down the best wrestling of that era, with the hottest feuds and sick beat downs. A mature rating wasn't needed, blood was aplenty but swear words and near nudity wasn't needed at all and yet fans wanted to see Dusty kill Ric, Magnum kill Tully and all within the lines of taste. If you want ultra violence go watch garbage like CZW. If you want titties, go get a life, get a woman, and if you can't swing some snatch go get some porn. Whatever you do, don't think you know what's right and best for the E, because then you become an idiot. Everytime the E makes a million with what the internet hates, we are all idiots.
 

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The only thing i can think of with our justifyed rants would be that a majority of us that were complaining about the things you mentioned (crappy storyline, failed pushes, ect...) grew up with or got hooked on wrestling during the attitude era where censorship didn't mean a fucking thing. So the stuff we grew accustomed to watching was great high-flying cruiserwieght action, slutty divas, and the big guys just beating the living hell out of each other. But looking at what we have now with absolutely no cruiserweight matchs , Divas who can't wrestle for shit and really don't even look that good, and the same three god damn moves done by the bigger guys. The main problem with the WWE right now is all of the people like us who grew accustomed to this type of wrestling where just suddenly switched out for little kid bullshit. With no true build up to it, one night we had violence the next it was this tree-hugging hippie bullshit on t.v now. So we all started to get pissed off at this fact and started finding everything that was wrong with the new programming instead of truely giving it a fair chance in the beggining. now unfortunately for guys like us who want all the old programming back we're pretty much fucked because little kids will by anything vince trys selling them so as long as he makes money we get crappy matchs and PPVs. That leaves us with two options we either leran to live with this type of show and hope it works out for the best or we just stop watching the WWE altogether and start watching other promotions ( not TNA they will always suck ass) if you read my sig then you'll know what my choice was. :-(
 

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The in ring work is 10x better than it was in the attitude era. Stop your bitching. This is perhaps the best era for pure wrestling matches we have ever seen. Either enjoy the greatness of workers like HBK, Cena, Orton, Edge, HHH, and Jericho or go watch some porn.
 

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^^^^^^ you know i love how your promoting the orton,cena main event in your sig, It really helps prove your point how 2 guys who only know a total of 9 moves is " the best era for pure wrestling matches we have ever seen"
 

Chuck Taylor's Grenade

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This isn't about PG or TV-14. You can have a PG rating and still be entertaining. Just look at Chikara. Yes they have some outright goofy fucking shit but they can also put on some really good matches. The problem I think most people have is that there is on average maybe 35 mintues of actual wrestling (I ranted about the three hour raw having 25-30 minutes of wrestling on it). When people turn into a wrestling show they want to see wrestling. This is also part of the reason wrestlers take so long to improve and get over with the crowd. They're only wrestling for 5 minutes in front of a live TV audience.

Secondly I cannot fucking stand how scripted wrestling is. Half of the wrestlers today would not last a week working in the 70s and 80s. They don't know anything about playing to the crowd, calling the match on the fly, or cutting a promo that wasn't written by some fucking hollywood writer.

Thirdly if WWE wants to do the guest host thing that's all good but I have certain requirements for these guest hosts. 1. Charisma 2. Ability to speak in front of a crowd 3. Knowledge of the wrestlers, feuds and storylines.
 

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The in ring work is 10x better than it was in the attitude era. Stop your bitching. This is perhaps the best era for pure wrestling matches we have ever seen. Either enjoy the greatness of workers like HBK, Cena, Orton, Edge, HHH, and Jericho or go watch some porn.

You are a moron.
 

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I think the main problem is that us smarks have just gotten left behind. The era that gets the more praise, the Attitude Era, back then, we were the targetted demograph, even in the Ruthless Agression and 2004-2006 we were the targetted audience, so we base our opinions on that for what WWE needs to do to get it right.

Things have change. We all still watch wrestling but, we just need to understand that we aren't targetted anymore. The shows aren't made for us anymore. It would be like bashing The Fairy Odd Parents because we don't see sex on it. Now I am not saying WWE is right on doing this, but we'll just have to accept that wrestling is not made for us anymore. Enjoy for what it is.
 

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The in ring work is 10x better than it was in the attitude era. Stop your bitching. This is perhaps the best era for pure wrestling matches we have ever seen. Either enjoy the greatness of workers like HBK, Cena, Orton, Edge, HHH, and Jericho or go watch some porn.

Shut the fuck up you stupid, stupid, ignorant mark.
 

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I think the main problem is that us smarks have just gotten left behind. The era that gets the more praise, the Attitude Era, back then, we were the targetted demograph, even in the Ruthless Agression and 2004-2006 we were the targetted audience, so we base our opinions on that for what WWE needs to do to get it right.

Things have change. We all still watch wrestling but, we just need to understand that we aren't targetted anymore. The shows aren't made for us anymore. It would be like bashing The Fairy Odd Parents because we don't see sex on it. Now I am not saying WWE is right on doing this, but we'll just have to accept that wrestling is not made for us anymore. Enjoy for what it is.

That's about as fair point as I could imagine. +Rep.

EDIT: That got you to 100. Go me.
 
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^^^ Why is he a moron? He is correct to an extent. The wrestling aspect is better than it was ten years ago. The best matches of the attitude era were so great because the major players (mainly Rock and Austin) could rock a crowd like only Hogan. They had the heat that will never been seen again. The closest thing that's come to that type of heat in the past five years was HBK/Taker, and that's because they were big players in that era and lave the legitimacy that goes with it.

But that dude is correct, for about 90% of the Attitude Era the in-ring product was just plain awful. The storylines were indeed better, but to say the matches were is not true. For every instance of insane heat of Austin and Rock, Foley taking sick bumps, some TLC matches and Benoit-Jericho-Angle, there are 50 awful Godfather matches or Hardcore Holly or Billy Gunn matches. Go look at results, PPV matches in general were about 8 minutes or so with dudes like the Godfather, D-Lo Brown and XPac stinkin up joints.

Today everyone in the mainevent scene has had some great and memorable matches, perhaps the storylines not so much, but from Cena all the way to Batista have had some quite memorable matches while the amount of people having good matches during the Attitude Era can be counted on one hand.
 

Great One

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It's because people really don't care that much about the matches, they're just trying to look cool on a wrestling board. Matches are fuck at all nothing without the amazing story behind them or the emotion that they show. Understandedly we see emotion different ways, I saw emotion as Triple H and Austin beating the fuck out of each other to no limits and selling it to be real whilst cutting amazing promos.