The Political Thread

[Mitch Buchannon]

I ended up voting liberal instead of NDP because my riding is so close so I had to use strategic voting and our incumbent MP since 2019 is a fucking twat who should've gotten 0 votes. It worked as the liberal candidate (who was the incumbent from 2015-2019) is back. Wish he had ran in 2021 and saved us 3 and a half years of dealing with dumbass Tracy.

 

[Comrade Khan]

I ended up voting liberal instead of NDP because my riding is so close so I had to use strategic voting and our incumbent MP since 2019 is a fucking twat who should've gotten 0 votes. It worked as the liberal candidate (who was the incumbent from 2015-2019) is back. Wish he had ran in 2021 and saved us 3 and a half years of dealing with dumbass Tracy.

yeah we booted the truck convoy supporting twat in my riding too

 

[Barry Poppins]

Also there were plenty of reasons why people hated Trudeau's government that aren't necessarily a symptom of the Lib party as a whole.

Trudeau came in with big promises and slogans and didn't deliver on much of his stuff, and he was also a dude who continually showed lip-service without backing anything up. On top of his issues in the past, and Cons used his inherent unpopularity to their advantage.

Trudeau resigns and Cons completely lose their lightning rod that galvanized people to vote Con. They had no platform, and on top of that, Trump stirring the pot with his annexation talk, and people were rightfully outraged.

Carney had a plan, and honestly, it's a damn good one, and it's no wonder why people who may have been wary or hostile to Trudeau (debatable more or less leftist than centre-right Carney) hopped onto his platform. Having an actual verified plan and history of backing up your word when it comes to finances or economic policy is a huge winner for moderates and (tho they don't want to admit it), a lot of left-leaning people.

Carney is literally the right man at the right time.

 

[Barry Poppins]

I live in the US and even I know it's more complicated than just "Trudeau bad = Libs bad, lol they voted Libs again"

 

[Comrade Khan]

Also there were plenty of reasons why people hated Trudeau's government that aren't necessarily a symptom of the Lib party as a whole.

Trudeau came in with big promises and slogans and didn't deliver on much of his stuff, and he was also a dude who continually showed lip-service without backing anything up. On top of his issues in the past, and Cons used his inherent unpopularity to their advantage.

Trudeau resigns and Cons completely lose their lightning rod that galvanized people to vote Con. They had no platform, and on top of that, Trump stirring the pot with his annexation talk, and people were rightfully outraged.

Carney had a plan, and honestly, it's a damn good one, and it's no wonder why people who may have been wary or hostile to Trudeau (debatable more or less leftist than centre-right Carney) hopped onto his platform. Having an actual verified plan and history of backing up your word when it comes to finances or economic policy is a huge winner for moderates and (tho they don't want to admit it), a lot of left-leaning people.

Carney is literally the right man at the right time.

Trudeau was complicated for sure. He delivered on cannabis but completely failed on his first term promise of proportional representation changes to the Canada voting act. That alone pissed off alot of left leaners like myself. There was also the SLC Lavalin and other unethical behavior that he was accused of, more than once. Far from perfect, stopped listening to parts of the country and it did him in.

I will say he did an excellent job at leading during the pandemic. It's his work after especially left to be desired , such as his failures to deliver on affordable housing or fix our failing health care systems regardless if under provincial jurisdiction. He also did a poor job after his first term at being a uniter. He also waited too long to cut back on immigration.

Overall, a pretty good prime minister, not too tier, but did well when we needed. Over stayed his welcome. But didn't do anything horrible either

 

[Comrade Khan]

Also there were plenty of reasons why people hated Trudeau's government that aren't necessarily a symptom of the Lib party as a whole.

Trudeau came in with big promises and slogans and didn't deliver on much of his stuff, and he was also a dude who continually showed lip-service without backing anything up. On top of his issues in the past, and Cons used his inherent unpopularity to their advantage.

Trudeau resigns and Cons completely lose their lightning rod that galvanized people to vote Con. They had no platform, and on top of that, Trump stirring the pot with his annexation talk, and people were rightfully outraged.

Carney had a plan, and honestly, it's a damn good one, and it's no wonder why people who may have been wary or hostile to Trudeau (debatable more or less leftist than centre-right Carney) hopped onto his platform. Having an actual verified plan and history of backing up your word when it comes to finances or economic policy is a huge winner for moderates and (tho they don't want to admit it), a lot of left-leaning people.

Carney is literally the right man at the right time.

To add, Carney is a literal crisis manager . We're in a economic crisis with the US as well.as facing threats. Canada had no appetite for division when faced with an existential threat .

Carney literally had the perfect resume for this unique problem.

Also, and I'll keep repeating it. Liberal in Canada has always been center. It leaned left under Trudeau. It will lean right under a literal banker. This is not the same government, their platform is public . Anyone can go look.

He promised housing , immigration caps, interprovincial trade restriction lifted and a bunch of other shit. None of which is particular socialist at all.

 

[Comrade Khan]

For example go look at one of the more popular liberal governments in the 90s under Chretiens. They were center right with some social policies. Economically liberal party has never really veered too far left unless you consider public services far left.

 

[Comrade Khan]

Also fun fact we used to have the progressive conservative party before, like in the us, they went big tent and let all the crazies in the get more votes. Now there's no center right party unless the libs feel it's blowing that way.

Joe Clark was last "good" conservative here

 

[Chris]

Judge Orders Trump Officials to Disburse Funding for Radio Free Europe

The news organization relies almost exclusively on congressional funding, which the Trump administration has held up for weeks.

www.nytimes.com

A federal judge ordered the Trump administration on Tuesday to disburse congressionally approved grant money it has withheld from Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, a federally funded news organization that provides independent reporting in countries with limited press freedom.

The judge, Royce C. Lamberth of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, ordered the Trump administration to pay the news organization $12 million for its April funding. Judge Lamberth appeared to close a loophole from his previous ruling, which allowed the Trump administration to effectively hold all funds for Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty while facially complying with the court mandate.

“In this case,” the judge wrote in his ruling, “it was Congress who ordained that the monies at issue” should go to Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty in legislation signed by President Trump himself.

 

[Barry Poppins]

For example go look at one of the more popular liberal governments in the 90s under Chretiens. They were center right with some social policies. Economically liberal party has never really veered too far left unless you consider public services far left.

Public services in the US is "Communism" to the public conscience sadly.

 

[Comrade Khan]

Public services in the US is "Communism" to the public conscience sadly.

Our countries are built on very different values and principles

 

[Ricky Smarks]

The problem is the average person doesn’t understand what a common good is. Any service that is used by everyone that lives in a community isn’t “socialism.”

 

[Chris]

The problem is the average person doesn’t understand what a common good is. Any service that is used by everyone that lives in a community isn’t “socialism.”

I find it's so much easier when we don't focus on the labels anyway.

Who cares if public education is "socialism" or not if we all agree it's necessary for example

 

[Lady Redfield]

I live in the US and even I know it's more complicated than just "Trudeau bad = Libs bad, lol they voted Libs again"

For the record, I’m not aligned to any party in particular, I vote for whomever I think is a good choice.

My concern for Carney has several factors to it, not just “lol libs”.

Let’s get some stuff off the table….i hope Carney does all the right things. I’m not sure how anyone can think a person who lives in a country wants the person running it to be bad….one thing that sticks out to me is Trudeau backing this guy. Part of that worries me only because I don’t want any underlying reasons to be because they share the same visions that have brought us to where we are after 9 years. Trudeau had huge debt in his time and Carney was his economic advisor. Carney didn’t eliminate the carbon tax, he simply set it at 0%. All that tells me is it was the thing to do around election time but he can raise it up whenever he wants. He has said before he believes Canadians are not paying enough for carbon tax.

There are other things people can look up about him that seem sketchy but he’s no different than most on his levels so I don’t act like he is the worst person on earth. Pierre wasn’t a saint, either. Jagmeet, no saint there. Government always has a bunch of demons to some degree.

I will gladly hold out hope for this guy and believe in him genuinely wanting to make Canada great again (sorry to reference that dumb Cheeto line). I have life riding on both sides of the border…I’m concerned for both and quite frankly, I am also fucking tired of this 51st state bullshit.


This is why part of me wonders why people voted the same party when they wanted change and then elected a guy who had ties to Trudeau’s liberals. I don’t really think that’s far fetched. People can say all the nice things they want but I care about the execution, holding your word, which I hope Carney does. If Trump was backing some guy for the next president, I don’t think anyone who hates him wouldn’t be at least a little weary about voting for a guy that Trump thinks is a great choice. Granted, I don’t hold Trudeau on the same level as Trump, one is a bit of a piece of shit and the other is one of the biggest pieces of shit on earth.

I did not expect my comment to be taken as anything more than something so simple. If a question of “why do you think that?” was presented, I would have absolutely had an exchange like we just had (I am not offended by your comment btw, and I don’t think you intended it in any malicious way, just saying).


I know this is a long ramble and I apologize for that, I can sometimes yap a lot, I’m just hoping to get good exchanges of thoughts between people. Elections are obviously a big deal and I get it, there are some people who can discuss it in a mature manner and some who can’t, I shouldn’t have even responded earlier and that’s def on me.