The Scary Raw LD July 8th 2013

[The Viper]

Orton wrestles smart.

For a heel, yeah.

 

[Vegeta]

The heel winning at WM? Yeah right.

Heels have won, hell Miz won later that night, Cody won earlier that night. #logicfailed

 

[Kross Rhodes]

Orton wrestles smart.

:this:

People overestimate him. IMHO he was the workhorse of 2011.

 

[Gentleman Jake]

Blandy Orton vs The Best in the World?

CM Punk all the way

 

[The Viper]

The heel winning at WM? Yeah right.

Because Orton (the biggest heel at the time) never retained his WWE Title at 24.

 

[Kross Rhodes]

Heels have won, hell Miz won later that night, Cody won earlier that night. #logicfailed

The vast majority of heels lose that night. It'a a fact because I'm usually disappointed with how predictable WrestleMania is every year.

 

[The Viper]

:this:

People overestimate him. IMHO he was the workhorse of 2011.

Probably his best year overall.

 

[The Viper]

The vast majority of heels lose that night. It'a a fact because I'm usually disappointed with how predictable WrestleMania is every year.

Well, to be fair, Wrestlemania this year was nearly dominated by heel wins, IIRC.

 

[Vegeta]

The vast majority of heels lose that night. It'a a fact because I'm usually disappointed with how predictable WrestleMania is every year.

He said it in away like heels never win, when I gave him two times heels won that exact same night, Viper gave him another time. Heels do win at Mania sometimes, it's rare but that's what makes it better when it happens.

 

[Sabretooth]

Because Orton (the biggest heel at the time) never retained his WWE Title at 24.

Good point. That was rare though :

 

[Sabretooth]

Heels have won, hell Miz won later that night, Cody won earlier that night. #logicfailed

Miz's win was totally not due to him. I'll give you Cody's win though.

 

[Sabretooth]

Well, to be fair, Wrestlemania this year was nearly dominated by heel wins, IIRC.

In the top matches it was babyfaces.

Alberto Del Rio
The Undertaker
Triple H

 

[Sabretooth]

Great match.

 

[The Viper]

In the top matches it was babyfaces.

Alberto Del Rio
The Undertaker
Triple H

The Shield, Fandango and Henry also won their matches.

 

[Vegeta]

Miz's win was totally not due to him. I'll give you Cody's win though.

I had been okay with Punk winning in a non-fair way, heels don't always win by there own doing, Miz didn't back at the Royal Rumble earlier that year either, but he won and a win is a win, sometimes getting a clean win is good, but kayfabe wise and Wrestlemania wise, a win is a win.