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Fallen Angel 2.0?

Airfixx

Guest
C'mon dude, don't be obtuce....

It was a 'sweeping' statement to illustrate a point >>> Job done IMO.
 

Beer

Guest
Kennedy was the underdog in his feud. Who was the heel in that?
MVP was the underdog against Kane and Chris Benoit. Who was the heel in that?
 
1chiban

1chiban

Active Member
Fair points.

Undertaker has been the underdog in terms of size a few times tbh, but that's in terms of size only. Would be interesting to see a feud based on psychology. If the writers can get the fans engrossed in that then it could work.
 

Nancy Di Loreto

Active Member
Uh, guys, what happened to Hade Vensen? Isn't this supposed to be about the fact that his gimmick is remotely similar to Daniels'? How did you end debating whether 'Taker is an underdog?
 
1chiban

1chiban

Active Member
Well WWE copying the indies (notice I deliberately said the indies NOT TNA because as much as some TNA marks would hate to admit, Daniels in ROH > Daniels in TNA) isn't new I suppose. But if done properly the Daniels-esque gimmick could be good. BUT under the new family aegis they cannot take it too far, which will limit its effect imo
 

Seventh Reason

Member
See the Spoilers and Rumours forum for news bringing light on this angle.

Some very accurate predictions on Page 1. I'm with good company here.
 

JurassicBonez

Active Member
Airfixx said:
We've seen HBK, Matt Hardy and others face Taker in the past... His size wouldn't have mattered in the slightest.

(For more debate on that topic vist: http://www.impactwrestling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28528 )
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Yes we've seen them take on Taker, but did they take on Taker in their debut match to start their career with a feud with Taker. Not just saying it's his size but somebody who's never wrestled in front a large crowd, they don't know how he will do. If he'd done some dark matches, so matches on ECW then it would be different. But people have choked coming from the indies or development and coming in front of large crowds. That (to me) would be an ultimate mess-up doing that.

Now hypothetically, if in his debut, he interfers in Takers match, the next week he gets a match with him, and messes up. He chokes in front of the crowd, botches moves, don't take bumps right, whatever that maybe, in a feud with somebody as high as Taker, Vince gives up on him and pulls the plug on it. Do you think he'd have another chance like that again. He'd probably dwiddle in the jobbers class for months. Or back to development for years before being used again or released.
 

JurassicBonez

Active Member
Airfixx said:
Well, I was responding to this:
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Oh I meant that again as somebody who nobody knows coming out of development, looking credible in a big feud agaisnt somebody like Taker. Take others who almost immediatly jumped into ME fueds upon debuting. Kane, toke out Taker, his size made him seem credible right off the bat. Lesnar, after dominating the Hardy's for awhile he went on to ME feuds, his size helped him with that. You could even use Punk as an example. I didn't see him as a ME in WWE yet and he proved that during his reign. Taking beating week after week, only winning cleaning against (if I'm not mistaken) Snitsky and JBL. And I think he's size and time in WWE had something to do with it with RAW's ME consisting of all big guys. So I see the same thing with with the Vensan guy. He's coming right off the back into a feud with a ME guy.
 

Airfixx

Guest
So, the key issue is 'newness' not size then....




As for your examples....

Kane - Had been in WWE for nearly 6 months before facing Taker and had already fueded with Mankind as well as having a fair few squash matches as well. The Taker's Brother was all that was required to get him over regardles of his size.

Lesnar - Well his gimmick was 'The Next Big Thing'!!! LOL (note: no pun about his actual physical size)... IMO Taker broke him in - Intentinoally putting accross the idea tha if he can hang with, and even cleanly beat Taker then, well he certainly is "credible".

The only person I can think of in recent time that debuted and fueded with Taker straight off the bat was Heidenreich.
 

The Rated R CMStar

Guest
That sucks. It seemed as an interesting storyline, and it would also bring up Kevin Thorn and Black Pain.

However, the storyline seemed to be on the wrong time. If started right now, it would have interfered in Taker's Road to Mania, if not be the actual Road to Mania of Taker, which would have sucked.


However, I do think Vince went paranoid. We are not thinking about two freaks like Brock Lesnar and Bobby Lashley, who the moment you saw them you thought they could be doing any other sport they damn pleased. We are talking about Hade Vansen, a man that left everything behind in Britain to come to the WWE, and Vince thinks that he will pull a Lesnar on them? LOL.


Besides, who said Hade was facing Taker in his first match? He could cut promos for weeks and weeks, then start beating jobbers while sending messages to Taker. THEN, he faces Taker.


But hey, I mean, Vladimir Kozlov WON't drop the ball, right? right?
 
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