TLC WWE TLCS 2014 Live Discussion

[Snowman1]

Why? Just because I don't automatically write it off as shit and vastly inferior to NXT's PPV before it even happens?

TLC is usually a very good show. I mean, I've only ever watched two of them all the way through (2011 and 2012), but they were both excellent shows and the inaugural TLC from 2009 looks like a great show on paper, too. This one can easily shape up to be a very good PPV all the same. Like I said, the top three matches (Cena/Rollins, Harper/Ziggler, Ambrose/Wyatt) all have the potential to end up within the **** range if they're willing to put forth the effort, and the rest of the card can be at least pretty good as well.

TLC 2009 was a good show, seem to remember loving the Christian/Shelton ladder match when I was getting into wrestling.

It depends on how you look at these matches I suppose. If you and @Stopspot (tagging him because his opinion on this show would be really interesting) really want to look at it from a wrestling standpoint, there's no reason the wrestlers themselves shouldn't deliver. The question is... whenever there's a PPV that you feel like is lacking going in, crowds are silent, there's little "Man, I hope this guy wins!" factor... Most of our issues stem from that. Maybe Ziggler and Harper will kill it in the opener and there's a few surprises along the way - feels like there is at every TLC - and keep the crowd into it...

Maybe they'll be as into Rollins winning tonight as I will be. Fuck Cena/Lesnar V.

 

[Just Kevin]

@Tsar update please...

Rusev vs Swagger US title match added to main card..

New Day vs Stardust/Goldust added as kickoff match..

and the Divas title match between AJ and Nikki (main card)...

 

[The GOAT]

TLC 2009 was a good show, seem to remember loving the Christian/Shelton ladder match when I was getting into wrestling.

It depends on how you look at these matches I suppose. If you and @Stopspot (tagging him because his opinion on this show would be really interesting) really want to look at it from a wrestling standpoint, there's no reason the wrestlers themselves shouldn't deliver. The question is... whenever there's a PPV that you feel like is lacking going in, crowds are silent, there's little "Man, I hope this guy wins!" factor... Most of our issues stem from that. Maybe Ziggler and Harper will kill it in the opener and there's a few surprises along the way - feels like there is at every TLC - and keep the crowd into it...

Maybe they'll be as into Rollins winning tonight as I will be. Fuck Cena/Lesnar V.

Yeah, the angles going into the show have been mostly lackluster, but I'm just eager to see this year end and the new one begin and for the build for the Rumble PPV to start, and as long as this one final PPV of 2014 delivers in terms of match quality, I'm content. After all, it's not like I'll be paying anything to watch it anyway.

Also, just to be anal, it would actually be Cena/Lesnar VII since they wrestled twice on Smackdown in 2002/2003 on top of the subsequent PPV matches that they had later on. But that aside, I'm also hoping for Cena to lose his title shot and am even slightly optimistic that it'll happen. Raw tomorrow night is prepping up to be a big show, and having to crown a new #1 contender would only add to that. However, my faith in Cena losing matches that I want him to lose has rarely been rewarded, so...

 

[Snowman1]

Yeah, the angles going into the show have been mostly lackluster, but I'm just eager to see this year end and the new one begin and for the build for the Rumble PPV to start, and as long as this one final PPV of 2014 delivers in terms of match quality, I'm content. After all, it's not like I'll be paying anything to watch it anyway.

Also, just to be anal, it would actually be Cena/Lesnar VII since they wrestled twice on Smackdown in 2002/2003 on top of the subsequent PPV matches that they had later on. But that aside, I'm also hoping for Cena to lose his title shot and am even slightly optimistic that it'll happen. Raw tomorrow night is prepping up to be a big show, and having to crown a new #1 contender would only add to that. However, my faith in Cena losing matches that I want him to lose has rarely been rewarded, so...

Seem to remember Cena losing a lot of tables matches.. for what it's worth, lets go back and look at his match history, shall we?

vs Ryback, Raw, 2013: Win (I don't even remember this)
vs R-Truth, Raw 2011: Loss (Pipebomb)
vs Randy Orton, Raw 2010: Loss (This was clean iirc, really cool reversal finish)
vs Sheamus, TLC 2009: Loss (Botched finish or not it still counts)
vs Coach, Raw 2007: Win (lol)
vs Carlito and Chris Masters, teaming with HBK, Raw 2005: Loss (WTF)

Technically that's 2-4 all time in Tables matches for Cena

 

[Prince Bálor]

Seem to remember Cena losing a lot of tables matches.. for what it's worth, lets go back and look at his match history, shall we?

vs Ryback, Raw, 2013: Win (I don't even remember this)
vs R-Truth, Raw 2011: Loss (Pipebomb)
vs Randy Orton, Raw 2010: Loss (This was clean iirc, really cool reversal finish)
vs Sheamus, TLC 2009: Loss (Botched finish or not it still counts)
vs Coach, Raw 2007: Win (lol)
vs Carlito and Chris Masters, teaming with HBK, Raw 2005: Loss (WTF)

Technically that's 2-4 all time in Tables matches for Cena

We can screw what the history says when it comes to SuperCena. He will win, I am sure about that.
Because it doesn't make sense to give Cena's #1 contender's spot to Rollins while still having the briefcase.
Hell, it didn't even make sense to book Rollins/Cena in the first place, but that's just WWE's thing, I guess...
Plus, I bet 16K on him, so that mofo had better win!

 

[Snowman1]

Found the finish to that last one on Youtube (man do I mark for non-HD wrestling, feels like the good ol' days) and Cena held Masters on a table, Michaels climbed to the top, Angle ran down and threw Shawn him off the top through a table on the outside.

Still counts! :yay:

We can screw what the history says when it comes to SuperCena. He will win, I am sure about that.
Because it doesn't make sense to give Cena's #1 contender's spot to Rollins while still having the briefcase.
Hell, it didn't even make sense to book Rollins/Cena in the first place, but that's just WWE's thing, I guess...
Plus, I bet 16K on him, so that mofo had better win!

The stipulation is just "if Cena wins no #1 contendership for him!" not Rollins gets it. We'll see how this goes.

I wonder how much this will hurt Rollins if he doesn't win. If there's an Orton run-in and he throws him through the table, no harm. Cena winning clean just would be a momentum killer, but I feel hypocritical saying that since Harper winning the ladder match clean wouldn't hurt Ziggler any...

 

[The GOAT]

Seem to remember Cena losing a lot of tables matches.. for what it's worth, lets go back and look at his match history, shall we?

vs Ryback, Raw, 2013: Win (I don't even remember this)
vs R-Truth, Raw 2011: Loss (Pipebomb)
vs Randy Orton, Raw 2010: Loss (This was clean iirc, really cool reversal finish)
vs Sheamus, TLC 2009: Loss (Botched finish or not it still counts)
vs Coach, Raw 2007: Win (lol)
vs Carlito and Chris Masters, teaming with HBK, Raw 2005: Loss (WTF)

Technically that's 2-4 all time in Tables matches for Cena

While this doesn't count as an individual match since it was just one fall in a 3 Stages Of Hell match, for what it's worth he beat Ryback in a Tables Match at Payback 2013, too.

We can screw what the history says when it comes to SuperCena. He will win, I am sure about that.
Because it doesn't make sense to give Cena's #1 contender's spot to Rollins while still having the briefcase.
Hell, it didn't even make sense to book Rollins/Cena in the first place, but that's just WWE's thing, I guess...
Plus, I bet 16K on him, so that mofo had better win!

Unless they modified the rules in the past week or so and I just missed it, I don't think they ever mentioned Rollins would become the #1 contender if he beat Cena, just that a new one would have to be named.

 

[Prince Bálor]

Found the finish to that last one on Youtube (man do I mark for non-HD wrestling, feels like the good ol' days) and Cena held Masters on a table, Michaels climbed to the top, Angle ran down and threw Shawn him off the top through a table on the outside.

Still counts! :yay:



The stipulation is just "if Cena wins no #1 contendership for him!" not Rollins gets it. We'll see how this goes.

I wonder how much this will hurt Rollins if he doesn't win. If there's an Orton run-in and he throws him through the table, no harm. Cena winning clean just would be a momentum killer, but I feel hypocritical saying that since Harper winning the ladder match clean wouldn't hurt Ziggler any...

Yeah, I get the stipulation.
I just don't get their logic (shocker). If they really wanted to roll with this stupid decision, then they should've had 'If Cena wins, #1 contendership for him, if not, Rollins gets it'

Nah, Rollins won't lose clean. Neither will Ziggler. But if he does lose or if he wins, I'm not sure if it'd him any good.

 

[Prince Bálor]

Unless they modified the rules in the past week or so and I just missed it, I don't think they ever mentioned Rollins would become the #1 contender if he beat Cena, just that a new one would have to be named.

No, they didn't.

I just don't get their logic (shocker). If they really wanted to roll with this stupid decision, then they should've had 'If Cena wins, #1 contendership for him, if not, Rollins gets it'. There's nothing on the line for Rollins this way, so Cena is the obvious winner.

 

[Snowman1]

If I'm fantasy-booking this, Randy will run-in, throw Cena through the table, then RKO'ing Rollins to end the show. That way he can be #1 contender and stuff.

Or they find a way to break all the tables without actually going through them, so Cole is like "Uhhhh... yeah... tune on Raw everybody.. see you then! tunga:"

 

[Prince Bálor]

If I'm fantasy-booking this, Randy will run-in, throw Cena through the table, then RKO'ing Rollins to end the show. That way he can be #1 contender and stuff.

Or they find a way to break all the tables without actually going through them, so Cole is like "Uhhhh... yeah... tune on Raw everybody.. see you then! tunga:"

I doubt Orton would throw Cena through a table. It doesn't make sense for Orton to screw Cena. Orton's coming after Rollins, I could see him hitting an RKO on Rollins, then Cena would AA him through a table.

We'll see what happens, though.

 

[The GOAT]

Has there ever been a draw or a no contest in a Tables match? Don't ever remember seeing one, so I wonder if it would be cool to have both Cena and Rollins go through a table at the same time. I mean, it'd be kind of dumb since Cena is the only one who stands to lose anything, but still. An Orton run-in is what will most likely occur, though.

I also don't think Rollins losing would hurt his momentum any. Right now, he's on a roll since he's main evented the last two PPV's (and played a role in the ending of the main event at Night Of Champions, too) and now he and Cena are almost certainly headlining TLC, too. I expect him (and if not him, then Rusev) to be the last one eliminated from the Rumble, too, which will give him another slot to end a PPV on. Although I suspect Brock Lesnar's match will probably close the Rumble PPV next month, especially with it being his first title defense in four months by that point.

 

[Prince Bálor]

Has there ever been a draw or a no contest in a Tables match? Don't ever remember seeing one, so I wonder if it would be cool to have both Cena and Rollins go through a table at the same time. I mean, it'd be kind of dumb since Cena is the only one who stands to lose anything, but still. An Orton run-in is what will most likely occur, though.

I also don't think Rollins losing would hurt his momentum any. Right now, he's on a roll since he's main evented the last two PPV's (and played a role in the ending of the main event at Night Of Champions, too) and now he and Cena are almost certainly headlining TLC, too. I expect him (and if not him, then Rusev) to be the last one eliminated from the Rumble, too, which will give him another slot to end a PPV on. Although I suspect Brock Lesnar's match will probably close the Rumble PPV next month, especially with it being his first title defense in four months by that point.

Cena's winning with Orton's help, in my opinion.

As far as the WWE-WHC match being the one to close the RR, screw it. The Rumble match is the main attraction and should be the ME.

 

[Snowman1]

I doubt Orton would throw Cena through a table. It doesn't make sense for Orton to screw Cena. Orton's coming after Rollins, I could see him hitting an RKO on Rollins, then Cena would AA him through a table.

We'll see what happens, though.

It makes sense for the selfish dick of an Orton character to screw over Cena if that means he can get a title shot for himself. Shoot, that would get him over as a face MUCH more than just helping Cena win.

But Lock's right. Likely - with the finish you mentioned - it'll be Orton vs Rollins at Royal Rumble, so no momentum should be lost here.

 

[Prince Bálor]

It makes sense for the selfish dick of an Orton character to screw over Cena if that means he can get a title shot for himself. Shoot, that would get him over as a face MUCH more than just helping Cena win.

But Lock's right. Likely - with the finish you mentioned - it'll be Orton vs Rollins at Royal Rumble, so no momentum should be lost here.

Yes, it does make sense on Orton's behalf to do that. But I just want Cena to win, (Wow, never thought I'd say this) just to close that Lesnar/Cena chapter and then move on.

I also don't want Orton screwing Cena over, because I know I'm not the only one that doesn't wanna see Orton vs Cena for the bazillionth time.

Yup, Lock's right. Let's assume Orton's gonna help Cena win, so Rollins wouldn't lose momentum by losing clean, then we get Orton vs Rollins and Bork vs Cena at the Rumble and all's well.