WWE Needs To Step Up On The Gimmicks?
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C4
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Now that's intelligence.
:WWE needs no gimmicks right now, it's fine the way it is. Sure the old gimmicks are getting boring and stale but that doesn't mean that they come up with newer, more pathetic gimmicks. They need to work on the same gimmicks and make them look better on Television.
noumenon
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Sure over the top gimmicks are entertaining to some degree but they're also usually dead ends. With the exception of guys like Taker and Kane, most with these extreme gimmicks have faded away over time. Even Taker got stale after a while and his "gimmick" change was welcomed and I'm sure much appreciated by him as well.
Theres only so much you can do with a gimmick like Taker as he really doesn't lend himself to many real life sitations. The guy isn't even allowed to do radio interviews or talk shows out of fear someone may realize the guy isn't really dead.
Sure it's nice see these over the top gimmicks of the past still lingering and conjuring up memories....crucifixions...live enbalmings...possessions...ect ect. But I truly believe we're in the last era of such gimmicks. No one seems to latch on to these types of gimmicks like they used to. A Jamaican shaman who eats worms and a savage from Samoa don't seem to be gaining as much steam as they would perhaps in the 90's. Instead guys like Orton, Jericho, HHH, Cena, Edge and Batista have taken their places. Not exactlly well balanced or completely normal human beings by any means but they each represent a different aspect of our inner most personalities.
That psychopathic little voice in the back of your head who tells you....go ahead...kick his head of while he's down(Orton). The side that tells us that the world owes us everything and we're better..just because(Jericho). Perhaps abandoning all the rules and doing whatever it takes to save our own ass(Edge). And maybe even the voice that never lets us quit no matter what(Cena).
Wrestling will always rely on gimmicks and over the top antics...but maybe we not necassarily ones who have risen from hell.
Theres only so much you can do with a gimmick like Taker as he really doesn't lend himself to many real life sitations. The guy isn't even allowed to do radio interviews or talk shows out of fear someone may realize the guy isn't really dead.
Sure it's nice see these over the top gimmicks of the past still lingering and conjuring up memories....crucifixions...live enbalmings...possessions...ect ect. But I truly believe we're in the last era of such gimmicks. No one seems to latch on to these types of gimmicks like they used to. A Jamaican shaman who eats worms and a savage from Samoa don't seem to be gaining as much steam as they would perhaps in the 90's. Instead guys like Orton, Jericho, HHH, Cena, Edge and Batista have taken their places. Not exactlly well balanced or completely normal human beings by any means but they each represent a different aspect of our inner most personalities.
That psychopathic little voice in the back of your head who tells you....go ahead...kick his head of while he's down(Orton). The side that tells us that the world owes us everything and we're better..just because(Jericho). Perhaps abandoning all the rules and doing whatever it takes to save our own ass(Edge). And maybe even the voice that never lets us quit no matter what(Cena).
Wrestling will always rely on gimmicks and over the top antics...but maybe we not necassarily ones who have risen from hell.
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Imo, yes to some more gimmicks. Sure, the main eventers right now have different personalities, but it doesn't add nearly as much on camera as it does on paper.
Jericho: I'm an asshole because you praise HBK for doing mean things.
JBL: I'm an asshole because I made it big in the stock market and therefore idolize Gordon Gecko. Greed is good.
RKO: I'm an asshole because Evolution betrayed me and now I hate everything.
Batista: I'm not an asshole currently, but I want the title. If I WAS an asshole right now, it would be because I want the title. The only reason I'm not an asshole now is because the guy who has the title is already an asshole and if there were two assholes that would rip apart the fabric of reality just like if you divided by zero.
HBK: I do assholey things, but you love me anyway.
Kendrick: I'm an asshole because I'm always been one. London is a douche.
Edge: I'm an asshole.
Notice the pattern? They're all just angry guys. Half the time I feel like you could swap _______ for _______ and you wouldn't have to change the dialogue. What we need is a greater emphasis on those personalities. Orton apparently snapped, and is now psychotic, so play to that even more. His song talks about hearing voices that make him want to hurt people, so do that! Have some promos of him talking to himself, amp up the anger in his conversations, etc etc. Make him unique. Like someone said above, why isn't Punk's "straight edge" thing being emphasized more? The unique gimmick is right there inked on his fists, WRITTEN ON HIS BODY, and STILL somehow the writers miss it. And why exactly isn't Jericho cracking jokes in his promos? It works just as well as a heel and it'd give him a hell of a lot more personality than he has now.
Guys like Kofi, MVP, Santino, Kozlov, etc, add much needed depth and unique personalities to the show. A show where it's just angry guys who talk generic trash gets very old very quickly. Gimmicks don't have to mean Papa Shango (though Roxxi pulled that off and is now over, hint hint), they just have to mean personalities unique enough for the scripts to not be interchangeable. And yes, there is room for "normal" people. But right now, we're running on empty in terms of memorable personalities.
And as for "out there" gimmicks, don't try to tell me a well written Kane promo doesn't creep you out. Monster characters are great for putting over the midcard, and if they're done right they themselves can be main eventing as faces. Look at Undertaker.
Jericho: I'm an asshole because you praise HBK for doing mean things.
JBL: I'm an asshole because I made it big in the stock market and therefore idolize Gordon Gecko. Greed is good.
RKO: I'm an asshole because Evolution betrayed me and now I hate everything.
Batista: I'm not an asshole currently, but I want the title. If I WAS an asshole right now, it would be because I want the title. The only reason I'm not an asshole now is because the guy who has the title is already an asshole and if there were two assholes that would rip apart the fabric of reality just like if you divided by zero.
HBK: I do assholey things, but you love me anyway.
Kendrick: I'm an asshole because I'm always been one. London is a douche.
Edge: I'm an asshole.
Notice the pattern? They're all just angry guys. Half the time I feel like you could swap _______ for _______ and you wouldn't have to change the dialogue. What we need is a greater emphasis on those personalities. Orton apparently snapped, and is now psychotic, so play to that even more. His song talks about hearing voices that make him want to hurt people, so do that! Have some promos of him talking to himself, amp up the anger in his conversations, etc etc. Make him unique. Like someone said above, why isn't Punk's "straight edge" thing being emphasized more? The unique gimmick is right there inked on his fists, WRITTEN ON HIS BODY, and STILL somehow the writers miss it. And why exactly isn't Jericho cracking jokes in his promos? It works just as well as a heel and it'd give him a hell of a lot more personality than he has now.
Guys like Kofi, MVP, Santino, Kozlov, etc, add much needed depth and unique personalities to the show. A show where it's just angry guys who talk generic trash gets very old very quickly. Gimmicks don't have to mean Papa Shango (though Roxxi pulled that off and is now over, hint hint), they just have to mean personalities unique enough for the scripts to not be interchangeable. And yes, there is room for "normal" people. But right now, we're running on empty in terms of memorable personalities.
And as for "out there" gimmicks, don't try to tell me a well written Kane promo doesn't creep you out. Monster characters are great for putting over the midcard, and if they're done right they themselves can be main eventing as faces. Look at Undertaker.
Airfixx
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Sounds like Kane to me. LOL
Aaaaanyway, looks like we have the perfect answer to this thread in the form of Jeff Hardy's new character development.
No, the WWE dont need more "gimmicks" they need more characters. There is a very fine line between the two. Randy Orton has a character, Duke "The Dumpster" Drose had a gimmick. "Stone Cold" Steve Austin has a character, Papa Shango had a gimmick; see the difference? In the history of the wrestling, only one "gimmick" ever got over with the fans, that was the Ultimate Warrior. Every other wrestler from Hulk Hogan to Ric Flair, from Bret Hart to The Rock, from Shawn Michaels to Andre The Giant, all of them had characters not GIMMICKS. The only other possible exception to this relatively iron clad rule of wrestling is The Undertaker. But that had a lot to do with the evolution of his character.
Montana
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Ultimate Warrior wasn't the only gimmick to ever get over. Lets see, i think The Undertaker got over. Kane, Mankind, and several more midcarders were over.
And im pretty sure you had the opposite opinion of when it comes to ROH, because their "characters" needed more of a gimmick. Which is why i'm a little surprised you wouldn't want to see a little more gimmick friendly characters.
And im pretty sure you had the opposite opinion of when it comes to ROH, because their "characters" needed more of a gimmick. Which is why i'm a little surprised you wouldn't want to see a little more gimmick friendly characters.
The difference between Warrior and Kane/Foley is that are more depth to the characters. I guess the difference between a character and a gimmick is the depth of that person. Take "Berlin", the classic evil foreigner gimmick. But then you look at The Iron Sheik, pretty much the same gimmick, but there was more depth.