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2. KIF/Smark - First off man repped in N1 and already has more posts than anyone except Poyser :DEAD: I'm leaning town right now because once he started playing instead of going back and forth about not reading the D1 yet, he looks town. If Brutus ends up flipping town then I'd flip my read here though because he seems oddly fixed on the PR, but I can see Smark getting oddly fixed on something he believes is right as well especially if no one else is listening to him on it.
3. Ace Dalton - Most of his 8 posts have been focused on Mitch which after realizing it feels just as odd as Mitch's focus on KIF D1. He avoided Jeff for the most part except saying "Would have jumped on Jeff" after he flipped scum. He did kinda sus Magic in his first real post, but said he couldn't see Mitch and Magic both being scum from how Mitch tied himself to Magic...though Jeff did do that exact thing too :hmm: Also re: magic, he says he's still sus on Magic but that Doddsy brought up good points on PHENOM (will get to that later) so he'd be fine with lynching either. He also says he's still suss on Mitch as well in this post and since Magic flipped scum I wonder what his current opinions on Mitch are? He also hasn't placed a vote on anyone yet.
4. Lethal - Very unsure with him, reading his posts iso'd didn't help either. He susses quite a few people most notably Smark, but I think he's also asking genuine scum hunting questions like he's trying to solve the game. He seemed to be defending Brutus's PR as well during his convo with Smark which is noted but I'm not reading one way or another yet
5. Alco - CLUTCH COP :goku
6. Poyser

7. Barry - He was on Jeff pretty hard and kept his vote on Magic pretty much all of D2, didn't let up after the claim even though he wanted to wait for it when the votes were piling on fast. Seems to be pretty sus on Tweet still too which I still can't shake from D1 myself (will get to Tweet later though)
8. Big Man
9. Chris

10. Phenom - Doddy's case on him before he died looks pretty bad, don't think we can read into Doddsy dying right after it in any direction though due to Doddy's role since we can't be for certain he was the target or just protected the target. I don't necessarily think he will be scum with Ace as that would mean Ace bussing both him and Magic in the same post, but worth noting Ace never dropped a vote on either (post in question was at night though and I guess Ace missed most of day as well)
11. Mitch - He unvoted Magic after the claim because he said he believed him and got back on after Alco revealed he was the cop :deandre But that feels so on the nose that it could have been genuine :lmao I think he's looked a lot better D2 and kinda furthers my theory that his weird posts on KIF were him just trying to play the game generically without really worrying that it was specifically KIF he was sussing? Still feels odd to me, but I feel a lot worse about Ace and I don't think they can be scum together.
12. Tweet - God I'm so torn here. Tweet has not made me feel good about anything he's posted really to the point that I had a theory he and Jeff were uber bussing each other D1 :lmao I really don't think that's likely at all, but I'm just still not sold on him being town yet. I think he made good points on Smark early on but he also had some weird posts like one where he says "I'm pretty sure all of us are sure Smark is scum now" in response to Lethal voting Mitch instead. I didn't get that everyone was sure Smark was scum at all by that point even if I thought his posts were weird as well before he actually started playing. He and Smark aren't scummates for sure IMO
13. Skybox - I do believe her claim and that she genuinely wants to die both in and out of thread
15. Haza - He is another that's very sure Smark is scum and I just don't see that level of conviction from what Smark had posted at the time. I did bring up him being the first person to suggest Brutus faking a PR and then pretty quickly rationalizing to himself why he wouldn't be faking it, but the more I thought about that I could see that being something I would do as kinda talking about loud in a thread, so I don't rate it too high and I'd rather look at his play otherwise. He did say he's fine with claiming tomorrow if we're suspicious so points for that I guess
16. Brutus - I can't make sense of these fuckin' poems even after isoing his posts :roman I do think he's hinting at SOMETHING but I can't tell if he actually is or just posting random shit to make us think that like some "i change the questions" bullshit. Cool with him out of the game quickly regardless of alignment. Not really getting how people are getting reads on him either way (at least strong ones), but I think his flip could help just because of the conversation around him we've had so far.
18. Banez- He's had some posts I've agreed with a lot and others I thought he was reading into the wrong thing, but I wasn't necessarily getting scummy vibes from him either. He's also pointing out and paying attention to little things, like Doddsy making points on Magic d1 that I doubt he'd bring to more attention if he were teamed with Magic.

Order of my scum reads I'd like to pursue would be Ace, Haza, Tweet. Also fine with going Brutus tomorrow just to get him out of the way because I think his flip would help tell us more about Haza/Smark, maybe Lethal as well and anyone else that seemed focused on Brutus one way or another.
 
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I like that read list :WOW

I have Tweet as a town lean, I've disagreed with a lot of what he's said such as saying most people agree Smark is scum and the suspicion on skybox, which sky flipping scum seems unfathomable to me. but it seemed like Jeff was legitimately trying to get something going on Tweet after going over his posts again. he buddied Poyser hard to likely get Poyser to switch to Tweet as well since they were going at it most of the Day phase.

I'd also give a town lean to PHEN0M, because him saying magic is aligned with jeff like that is not something I see him doing as scum. yes me and sky had said something before then but it was very minor. I don't think he'd want to bus magic right after losing jeff when there wasn't any need at that stage.
 
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also I'm still not really sure on Banez tbh. like sure he's playing compenently and making some good posts but I think he's shown he can do that as scum on a few occasions.
 
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I can't really make sense of Jeff and Tweet being scum together but I just don't feel good about any of Tweet's interactions with anyone besides Jeff. And yeah Nom did make that post saying Magic and Jeff were aligned but just wouldn't elaborate on it when Smark asked him :lmao he was right though and it came out of nowhere so I'm inclined to believe he was genuine there as well.
 

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I can come out and admit that I think Big Man and Poyser in particular seem to have a much better grip on what the right moves are in this game than I do, so I'm happy to take a back seat for the time being. I got off on the wrong foot with a lot of things and feel like it did more harm than good. I've sorta accepted that I'm probably gonna eat a POE lynch down the line unless my role - which I will use tonight - can change anything about that.
 

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Oh hey looks like my sussing of Magic based off that entry post actually worked for once.

Nice usage, Alco :)
 

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yeah im not clearing mitch. Jeff's wagon was already really big at that point, so he would've known he couldn't get a wagon going on anyone, if anything him being on the wagon would dissuade people from going after mitch.

Agreed.

Mitch maybe tried to bus on KIF and doubled down on Smark. Will be interesting to see his exchanges in regards to him now scum are down 2.
 

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The logic for this vote doesn't compute with me at all, sure Mitch was solely on KIF/Smark the entire game, but pretty much all of us are fairly sure Smark is scum by now, so why do you have any issue with Mitch? Yeah his play has looked like comfort zoning and focusing on people he knows, but idk what more you expected from him.

Genuine, independent thought that isn't tunnelled on one player. His reasoning is weak as well
 

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On another note I haven't liked Smarks votes at all, first Brutus whom he must have sensed people don't really care to keep around and then immediately Mitch after Lethal made that weird case on him. Kinda looks to me like Smark is trying to pull literally anyone else he can find in front of him to gain some breathing room and regroup.

Yeah, Smark jumping on that was odd (and OMGUS) but I can't not like it since Mitch is a scum lean of mine.
 

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Btw once we got Magic sorted out, if Smark is scum I think wanna go Sky next, I haven't forgotten that she passed up on wagoning KIF early on twice. Sure, Jeff came in guns blazing trying to lay a TRAP for her but the attempt itself was so laughably bad I could see it being intended to distance as well.

Don't even bother. She can never be scum, ever. Can't even be interrogated or questioned.
 

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Also I think this all but confirms Poyser as town, there’s no way he’s maf after Magic tried to lead a wagon on him.

Um, also he bodybagged Jeff on D1 and raised eyebrows to Magic as well. This is just paper pushing.
 

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Town: Big Man, Barry, Phenom, Mitch, Tweet, Poyser, Alco, Chris, Skybox, Banez

Scum: Haza

Null: Ace Dalton, Lethal, Smark, Brutus

Here's where i'm at atm.

Only one atm standing out as scummy to me is Haza. Conveniently didn't have anything to do with Magic's wagon and wanted to push Smark. If Haza flips scum Smark would be town.

Explain your nulls - Smark has given PLENTY of content to make a judgement one way or another, Brutus with his PR, my posting and Ace's silence.
 

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Yeah, Smark jumping on that was odd (and OMGUS) but I can't not like it since Mitch is a scum lean of mine.

It’s not OMGUS if the reasons for their vote don’t make sense to you. Plenty of people voted me yesterday.

His vote particularly caught my attention.
 

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@Chris I never unvoted Magic after the fake claim? I merely said it seemed not fake and I'll take that L. I had voted for Smark and then when Alco brought out his info I switched to Magic.

2. Smark - I was leaning scum but now I'm null after he played a hand in getting rid of Magic
3. Ace Dalton - has literally added nothing to the conversation whatsoever
4. Lethal - null on Lethal, I'm leaning more town than scum but his hardon for me and Smark has been noted
5. Alco - cop
6. Poyser - has played a very town game to me, also Magic tried to lead a wagon on Poyser
7. Barry - leaning town on Grim, has played a pretty town game to me and he was pretty gunho on voting Magic
8. Big Man - leading town very well
9. Chris - I had him as null but with his recent read list I'm feeling pretty good on him, he's been very active
10. Phenom - null on Phenom, I swear I can never read him
11. Mitch
12. Tweet - null on Tweet, I'm leaning more scum but his interactions with Jeff make me lean town as well
13. Skybox - I wanna believe her claim but I find her interactions with Jeff D1 odd, I'm leaning town for now
15. Haza - I'm leaning scum on Haza, like Ace he hasn't added anything to the conversation
16. Brutus - leaning town on Brutus, I find it hard to believe his PR would be a scum perk
18. Banez - leaning town on Banez, he's been super active and hasn't raised any red flags to me, his soft claim makes me think he isn't Kliq-aligned as well
 
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