WWE exec says UFC has no real stars

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Yeah once a month revenue is more important than recurring revenue....
I'm pretty sure WWE makes more money off PPV buy than DVD's.
And the WWE sells more DVD's because they don't replay their events on FREE tv whereas the UFC shows old events on spike about twice a month.



You see more wrestling shirts than you do MMA ones in general.
IMO the only people I've seen wearing WWE shirts are people at WWE events.


Which is why MMA guys ARENT mainstream, they have NO CHARACTER.
The fighters themselves aren't mainstrem. The sport is definitely mainstream.




Yeah Matt Skinner is more popular than any WWE Superstar because he's sponsored by KFC. NOT!!
Twas a joke
 

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For anyone that says that UFC > WWE in merch....

Do you see more John Cena shirts in public, or Brock Lesnar shirts?


...just throwing something out here. I have to agree with XBA, this is becoming a touchy subject lol.
 

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For anyone that says that UFC > WWE in merch....

Do you see more John Cena shirts in public, or Brock Lesnar shirts?


...just throwing something out here. I have to agree with XBA, this is becoming a touchy subject lol.

In all honesty, and I'm not lying, but considering I don't go around playgrounds, I rarely see any John cena shirts. But with that being said, I don't see many Lesnar ones either.
I guess everyone will see it differently, depending on where they live.
 

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I'm pretty sure WWE makes more money off PPV buy than DVD's.
And the WWE sells more DVD's because they don't replay their events on FREE tv whereas the UFC shows old events on spike about twice a month.

Yeah because the WWE have 4 shows of original programming to fill. 4 shows vs. the Ultimate Fighter and the 2 a months UFC does. The WWE makes more money with RAW than the UFC does with all of its TV shows combined, and thats week in and week out. So yea, they might make more money of PPV buys but the WWE makes more money week in and week out with house shows, TV, DVD sales, T shirts, and oh, lets not forget monthly PPVs that arent in dinky 5,000 seat places.



IMO the only people I've seen wearing WWE shirts are people at WWE events.

Branch out.



The fighters themselves aren't mainstrem. The sport is definitely mainstream.

The sport cant be mainstream if its players arent.
 
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I see more affliction shirts at an ROH show than wrestling shirts (unless you count the merch stands) and even at WWE shows more adults in Canada wear MMA related shirts.

The last time I checked UFC has no trouble selling out the buildings where WWE & especially TNA kinda struggle to do so and they have way cheaper tickets, probably because 12 big shows a year, plus the other shows and house shows for so long is way too much and everyone is sick of WWE and no one knows what TNA is!, even UFC could cut their pay per views to 6 or 7 a year and do free showcases and TUF the rest of the year and surely they would set the record for most PPV buys of all time which they may do already for UFC 100 and we all know that WWE will never, E-vvvver set the most PPV buys record... Again!
 

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Um, no... Lol. We have a ton of great hockey players, with a good chunk of the best hockey players coming from here) (Jarome Iginla, Sidney Crosby, Mike Richards, Joe Thornton, Simon Gagne, Duncan Keith, Dan Boyle, Rob Niedermayer, Mike Cammalleri to name a few) and a ton of great baseball players as well, like Jason Bay, Russell Martin, Rich Harden, Justin Morneau, Joey Votto, Erik Bedard and Ryan Dempster. Hell, even in basketball we have Steve Nash.
GSP is the biggest just because he's such a likable guy. He's succesful as hell, and is really just a proud Canadian, and awesome dude.

LOL Hockey....

News flash... Hockey players hardly gain international star power!


As for MMA star power.... Name me one guy who's become internationally known to non-MMA fans?

I have friends that have never given wrestling the time of day that a) knew who Hogan and co were back in the day and b) are aware of Cena, Taker, Austin, The Rock and most of Vinces biggest names.

Until MMA can boast similar then ya'll are arguing about nothing.

Aside from the star-power sub-debate, as already stated... APPLES & ORANGES. ---->>>



anybody else notice it is the WWE always seeming to talk shit on other promotions/sports


Says a guy called TNAFAN :rofl:


...TNA seem to take shots at WWE on a weekly basis!
 

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The last time I checked UFC has no trouble selling out the buildings where WWE & especially TNA kinda struggle to do so and they have way cheaper ticketsprobably because 12 big shows a year, plus the other shows and house shows for so long is way too much and everyone is sick of WWE and no one knows what TNA is!, even UFC could cut their pay per views to 6 or 7 a year and do free showcases and TUF the rest of the year and surely they would set the record for most PPV buys of all time which they may do already for UFC 100 and we all know that WWE will never, E-vvvver set the most PPV buys record... Again!

The MGM Grand holds close to 18000. The last UFC PPV there only drew 14000 and of them, 1000 or so tickets were given away. I guess if by "sell out" you mean "falling short of the buildings capacity" then yeah, the UFC totally "sold out" there.
 

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The MGM Grand holds close to 18000. The last UFC PPV there only drew 14000 and of them, 1000 or so tickets were given away. I guess if by "sell out" you mean "falling short of the buildings capacity" then yeah, the UFC totally "sold out" there.

How about the one before that, where it was 22,000 packed into an arena? Also, the MGM Grand isn't a "one size fits all". Depending on the event, there's different capacities. But just to add, WWE Judgment Day got 14,000 in a 16,000 seat arena. Backlash drew 8,500, in an arena which holds 14,500 for boxing (which has the same set-up seat wise as wrestling) and No Wa Out barely drew 12,000

LOL Hockey....

News flash... Hockey players hardly gain international star power!
Airfixx, when did you lose your ability to read? Don't be a fucking dumbass. Read the convo in order. I said GSP was the most popular canadian athlete in Canada (to Canadians), and WS said it's cause we have nothing else, and I said that no, we actually have tons of other athletes playing here, from here, that are very popular here, just not as popular as GSP. I didn't say anything about how popular they are elsewhere, and neither did WS. That wasn't even in the conversation. He was talking about how popular something is in Canada...
So...
"LOL Airfixx"....

Edit: You'll notice a 'green rep' in your repbox. It wasn't an accident by the way. Despite your stupidity here, I had to return your rep from a previous time... You know, one where you made sense.
 

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How about the one before that, where it was 22,000 packed into an arena? Also, the MGM Grand isn't a "one size fits all". Depending on the event, there's different capacities. But just to add, WWE Judgment Day got 14,000 in a 16,000 seat arena. Backlash drew 8,500, in an arena which holds 14,500 for boxing (which has the same set-up seat wise as wrestling) and No Wa Out barely drew 12,000.


But you are the one making the case that the UFC totally eclipses the WWE and Pro wrestling, why isnt it sellout after sellout after sellout? Why do they have to give away 1000 tickets to their shows AND CANT EVEN SELL IT OUT THEN!?
 

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But you are the one making the case that the UFC totally eclipses the WWE and Pro wrestling, why isnt it sellout after sellout after sellout? Why do they have to give away 1000 tickets to their shows AND CANT EVEN SELL IT OUT THEN!?
Wrong. Let's recap for you.
-WWE COO makes case comparing it with UFC, and sayign UFC has no stars.
-I laugh at WWE for comparing the two, when they are totally different. One is entertainment, and the other is a sports organization. No comparision, and no need for one.
-I also point out that, like any league, the UFC does have stars. They're not the same type of stars as WWE, not many are, but they have stars in their own right
-You start going on an anti-UFC crusade, about how it's not mainstream, and generic, and has no stars
-I state it's more mainstream than WWE, which it is. Mainstream, as in, more people talk about it, it's viewed in better light, and at least wherever I've been, is more well known

So it's not so much me trying to prove UFC is more mainstream than WWE, as it is you trying to prove it's not. I just wanted to laugh at the fact WWWe would even compare two compeltely different things, and then you started your anti-MMA thing, to which I responded, that it is more mainstream.
As for why it doesn't sell out, who knows? Mayeb cause it was a lackluster card? I don't even know if it's true that they didn't sell out. I'm pretty sure that's standard attendance for MMA, because the capacity number is for boxing and other sports. It holds less for MMA. But even if it didn't sell out that one, there's plenty where it has, and only a few where it hasn't. WWE, on the other hand, had 50% of their shows not sold out. At least half of the reports I read talk about how half the arena is tarped/taped off.
So if you take into account that attendance for both UFC and WWE is about the same on average (they both average aroudn 15,000 per event), and you add on that UFC frequently gets 800,000+ buys on PPV, and alot of times over 1 million, whereas WWE considered 300,000 to be a 'milestone' in PPV buys, you come out with the fact that UFC has more interest in terms of buying and attendign PPVs. That, my friend, is a fact.
Then, if you wanna talk about attention payed to each company, and the general perception, again, UFC wins. No one talks about WWE outside of wrestling fans. We've had numerous people on here admit to being embarrased to watching wrestling, and talk about how their friends find it weird they watch it. On the flip side, no one is embarrased to watch UFC. And in the media, the UFC is portrayed as a sport, albeit not as much as hockey, football, or baseball, but still a sport. On the flip side, WWE is viewed as strange, and has a bad reputation.
So all in all, I'd say UFC is more accepted, and mainstream, than WWE. There are facts to back that up in terms of attendance (with the exception of WM, which, by the way, UFC could also do, if they're able to come to Toronto) and PPV Buys. UFC dominates WWE in PPV buys and attendance. In terms of perception, there's no facts me ort you can offer to 'prove' which is more accepted, but you'd be joking yourself if you try to say that WWE is more talked about and thought of better than the UFC.
 

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Do you see more John Cena shirts in public, or Brock Lesnar shirts?
The UFC doesn't make shirts for individual fighters. Tapout and Affliction makes shirts so thats irrelevant.

Yeah because the WWE have 4 shows of original programming to fill. 4 shows vs. the Ultimate Fighter and the 2 a months UFC does. The WWE makes more money with RAW than the UFC does with all of its TV shows combined, and thats week in and week out. So yea, they might make more money of PPV buys but the WWE makes more money week in and week out with house shows, TV, DVD sales, T shirts, and oh, lets not forget monthly PPVs that arent in dinky 5,000 seat places.

First of all Mainstream doesn't have to do with money it has to to with popularity. If the UFC decided to put on 30 shows a month that would make them more mainstream then? and your last line shows how ignorant you are. UFC 83/97 both in montreal, both sold out 21450 seats in less than an hour. UFC 96 a really shitty card btw sold 17,000 seats.
Backlash 2009 8500 seats. No way out 12500 seats. Armageddon 11000 seats.
the worst UFC PPV since september was UFC 93 which had 9369 people attending and the worst WWE ppv was backlash which had 8,500 people attending. Also UFC 93 was in ireland.

Oh and the UFC game just sold over 1million copies
 

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First of all Mainstream doesn't have to do with money it has to to with popularity.

Actually it does. People pay money to see you, to buy your shirts, to see your PPVs,. to buy your DVDs, because YOU ARE IN DEMAND


If the UFC decided to put on 30 shows a month that would make them more mainstream then?
Well the WWE typically draws 3-5k to a house show, so if the UFC put on 30 shows a month and drew more than them then YES they would be.


and your last line shows how ignorant you are. UFC 83/97 both in montreal, both sold out 21450 seats in less than an hour. UFC 96 a really shitty card btw sold 17,000 seats.
Backlash 2009 8500 seats. No way out 12500 seats. Armageddon 11000 seats.
the worst UFC PPV since september was UFC 93 which had 9369 people attending and the worst WWE ppv was backlash which had 8,500 people attending. Also UFC 93 was in ireland.

Way to cherry pick the best stats to try and prove your point

UFC 98: Just under 10k paid
UFC 93: Just under 10k paid
UFC 92: Just under 10k paid
UFC 91: Just over 10k paid
UFC 89: Just under 10k paid
UFC 86: Just under 10k paid
UFC 81: Just under 8k paid
UFC 81: Just under 9k paid

So almost half of the last 20 PPVs of this HUGELY MAINSTREAM SPORT couldnt even draw what the WWE brings to a Raw or a SD taping.



Oh and the UFC game just sold over 1million copies



Yeah, on all formats, SD vs. Raw has sold 800K on the 360 alone.