Wrestling stiff - fan or not?

[Pop Tatari]

I love it , KENTA matches got me hooked on that style and the puro as a whole I watched after that done that. To be fair to Richards he has put people over

 

[Roadster]

I love wrestling stiff. The crossarm breaker is the best. :gusta:

 

[Koko B.]

Let's now make this thread about Katie Vick

 

[edge4ever]

Wrestling "stiff" has no place in wrestling. It's inherently more dangerous and not needed. Period.

Now I'm stiff and need a cocktail.

 

[Swift]

Bunch of pansies.

 

[Jacob Fox]

I love wrestling stiff. The crossarm breaker is the best. :gusta:

So how the hell can you disagree with me when we both said we love stiff wrestling?

 

[Roadster]

So how the hell can you disagree with me when we both said we love stiff wrestling?

lol Calm down. I disagreed with you saying that it isn't as good as 5* technical wrestling match.

 

[Jacob Fox]

lol Calm down. I disagreed with you saying that it isn't as good as 5* technical wrestling match.

I'm completely calm and gotcha but some of them can be

 

[Black Iron PJ]

Well considering who's on my profile picture. It's safe to assume that I'm a fan. Don't get me wrong, I love my wrestling in all sorts of forms but stiff wrestling has always been favorite and it's just been a recent discovery for me, seeing Ishii and Honma nearly killing each other was what got me into being a fan. To me, it's wrestling in it's purest forms, just two strong assholes beating each other up for over 15 minutes to show how much of a badass they are, it ain't pretty, but it sure is magical.

 

[Roadster]

People saying stiff wrestling doesn't belong, are wrong. Wrestling is/was a combat sport, and modern day wrestling is of the same roots as MMA. Catch wrestling evolved into brawl/shoot style wrestling that ultimately became MMA. This isn't a 100 year old evolution. This happened in late 80s and early 90s Japan thanks to guys like Dr. Death, Minoru Suzuki and Ken Shamrock. It's place is well-deserved.

It's a form of wrestling, that has it's own niche. Amongst New Japan, it's the NEVER title. Amongst All Japan, it's the heavyweights, same with Progress. Stiff/Shoot style wrestling isn't mean't to be the norm in wrestling, but it does have it's practitioners, mostly MMA/Wrestling crossovers, who are conditioned to take the heat. It definitely belongs, and I enjoy it very much. Having an appreciation for stiff wrestling, thanks to watching guys like Johnny Ace, JBL, Vader, Stan Hansen, Brusier Brody, Greg Valentine, Dr. Death, Suzuki and especially Ishii, Honma, Makabe and Shibata really allows you to enjoy more of the show. I don't care if a big guy is on, because despite being slow, if the time comes, they can put on a brawl. One of the reasons I'm digging this Rusev v. Titus O'Neil feud. It's stiff, rough and intense.

 

[edge4ever]

Once you've actually done some pro wrestling, you'll understand what I mean. Stiff wrestling can work, just like riding a motorcycle can work...but, it's simply more dangerous than driving a car. The more loose you are and become, the more safe you are.

 

[Green Jesus]

Not a fan of it for the same reason I'm not a fan of hardcore. It's less wrestling and more shock value, and MMA already does a much better job at making two guys try to kill each other. To each his own, but I honestly have no Idea why working stiff is so loved besides some sort of fetish about two guys hurting each other just for the sake of it(as opposed to for the sake of competition, like in "real" sports).

 

[Roadster]

Not a fan of it for the same reason I'm not a fan of hardcore. It's less wrestling and more shock value, and MMA already does a much better job at making two guys try to kill each other. To each his own, but I honestly have no Idea why working stiff is so loved besides some sort of fetish about two guys hurting each other just for the sake of it(as opposed to for the sake of competition, like in "real" sports).

Stiff shots add no shock value. Hardcore wrestling attempts to do stunts that make people freak out. Stiff wrestling doesn't attempt to do that. Also, MMA doesn't promote two guys trying to kill eachother, it's a sanctioned fight with extremely stern rules that prevent anything serious damage. It's basically kick boxing and submission wrestling jumbled up into one.

Once you've actually done some pro wrestling, you'll understand what I mean. Stiff wrestling can work, just like riding a motorcycle can work...but, it's simply more dangerous than driving a car. The more loose you are and become, the more safe you are.

4:

 

[Stopspot]

From what I can gather since this thread got revived, is that there seems to be a bit of a lack of knowledge on the difference between stiff and STIFF.

Stiff is being willing to work more snug, willing to lock in holds more legitimately, whilst still working them, and to actually make more contact on strikes as to not whiff them/make them look weak. There's absolutely nothing wrong with working snug. Most wrestlers do. And if you are willing to take a punch, fair dues.

Then there's STIFF. Which is just guys going full ham, which is reckless. But that is a very select few wrestlers who work like that. Since most kids who go into wrestling thinking they can do stuff like that get their ass handed to them by the veterans until they know better.

This match is a perfect example of working stiff the right way.


Another part of the issue is probably dumb American/western marks who see these Japanese guys, who are trained to work more snugly since the Japanese system tends to be more old school, and thinking that they can just copy it without actually learning how to work stiff proper. And that breads a generation of wannabes who think they work stiff when they actually don't.

And don't get me started on the stupid strong style debate

 

[Roadster]

Another part of the issue is probably dumb American/western marks who see these Japanese guys, who are trained to work more snugly since the Japanese system tends to be more old school, and thinking that they can just copy it without actually learning how to work stiff proper. And that breads a generation of wannabes who think they work stiff when they actually don't.

= Progress