WKO100, Finally it's here

[hbk1991]

Last post for me in this thread.

That doesn't come into it.... The guy had one match/angle in 2008 and FUCKED IT UP and thus has no place on a 'best worker of 2008' list. Anything else is another debate.

how did he fuck up the match? That's what they were grading him on, ring work, nothing else. Roles were well established by the time WM came to town.

You said, Show/Mayweather was better than a spot-fest. As much as I'm not a big fan of that style, I don't see how a failed angle is better than ANYTHING.

You check out the Mania PPV numbers, dude?

I didn't say I didn't appreciate Henry, but he is not in Vader's league.

I agree.

And Matt Hardy...my God, you are truly putting Matt Hardy as the best US wrestler with main stream exposure in the list. Do I really have to go in depth to explain how that is wrong.

Shortly after the draft ECW became the only worthwhile WWE show, from an in ring point of view. Matt Hardy was a big reason why the show rocked. Matt's work with Finlay and Henry ended up being some of the most enjoyable TV wrestling last year. He's more of a top 30 guy than a top 10, though.

Rey Mysterio was out for most of 2008, and since his return, while his matches have been good, the only ones that you can look back and say OMFG are Edge vs Rey RR and CM Punk vs Rey Armageddon. That hardly makes you the 6th in the list.

I agree, too high. Looked great, but didn't have the matches last year.

- Finlay? Oh yeah, I guess having a comedy act as the finish for all his matches do the trick.

One of the greatest wrestlers ever, can still clearly go, MVP on ECW - the wrestling heavy WWE show. Wrestling matches are more than finishers.

- Evan Bourne? FCW is barely countable, and in WWE he has had 20 matches max, in which I can bet only his match against Matt Hardy went over 10 minutes.

vs Chavo was a match of the year candidate. It's a shame you don't watch ECW.

- Big Show and Mark Henry in Top 20, while HBK is in the 50's.

Far better than HBK, at least in '08.

- Negro Casas being in there

See previous comment.

- Festus, my God, Festus being in there

Fun brawler? Fun match with Undertaker?

Jobber Chavo Guerrero topping the likes of John Morrison, KENTA, HBK.

KENTA can't even put together a singles match; Morrison gets praised for his tag work because people have low standards these days when it comes to tag wrestling. Show me a Morrison match better than Chavo/Bourne. HBK's an old, decaying effeminate man who tries to work like it's '94. If you're going to wrestling when you're that age, change your style.

- AJ Styles barely making the list.

Impossible to be good in TNA, didn't have any good matches last year.

- Kurt Angle, Triple H, Edge, Samoa Joe, Jerry Lynn not making the list.

Angle's deteriorated badly, has the same laughable formulaic matches all the time. HHH is a stiff, can't believe anyone finds him entertaining. Edge is a lanky, overpushed dude with horrible indy offense. Fear the spear, indeed. Joe's become a lazy, thigh slapping hog, which is a shame since he was great before TNA. Lynn's a delusional old man who only knows how to work spotfests.

- Floyd Mayweather, who had one match in 2008, making the list.

One great match > a dozen average matches.

Do you want me to continue?

Yes, try talking about the non-mainstream wrestlers since those are the ones people tend to look over. I think that'll make for more interesting discussion as opinions have clearly been set on the mainstream wrestlers.

 

[Airfixx]

Last post for me in this thread.

You promise?

How did he fuck up the match?

Because THANKS TO MAYWEATHER being a crap worker we were forced to cheer for a guy that had just horrifically beaten one of the biggest babyfaces in the company a few weeks before.

That's what they were grading him on, ring work, nothing else. Roles were well established by the time WM came to town.

The match was fucked.... Mayweather ruined the psychology of it (see above).

BUT... Humouring you, what was so great about his work-rate in that ONE match that it warrants him being credited as one of the 100 best workers in the industry?

A bunch of 'dampened' punches a-a-a-a-a-n-d.......?

You check out the Mania PPV numbers, dude?

PPV sales and buyrates are NO reflection on the actuality of the event that transpires... (Not that your reply has ANY relevance to what I said.)

I agree.

Then what/why were you arguing?

 

[Great One]

Wait, someone is actually defending this list..?

Well, anyway, this where I found the list. Worth checking out if you want to know the explanations:

z11.invisio$nfree.com/wrestling_ko/index.php?showforum=35

(..not sure if you can link to other sites here? Remove "$")

Rofl at the sad fucks on that site. I would hate to become like any of these, most likely short, fat ass, ugly losers who sit and systematically compile a fucking TOP WORKERS WRESTLING LIST on their spare time, whom no one will give a shit about.

Now, it's time for the quote of the month, maybe the year, from one of the many raging nerds who despise Triple H on that site:

Mark Henry carried Trips to his best match this year, and then he had the matches with Finlay and Matt Hardy.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. Funny thing was, he was serious.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

Shortly after the draft ECW became the only worthwhile WWE show, from an in ring point of view. Matt Hardy was a big reason why the show rocked. Matt's work with Finlay and Henry ended up being some of the most enjoyable TV wrestling last year. He's more of a top 30 guy than a top 10, though.

I do watch ECW.

Show me something better that came out from ECW that HBK vs Chris Jericho, Edge vs Taker, or if you want TV shows, show me something better than John Cena vs HBK.

vs Chavo was a match of the year candidate. It's a shame you don't watch ECW.

Lol, Chavo vs Bourne was good, but not MOTY good. Putting that next to Edge vs Taker HIAC or Y2J vs HBK is laughable.

Far better than HBK, at least in '08

Give me a match from those two better than what HBK has done in 2008. Just his match at Unforgiven with Jericho tops everything Henry did.

Fun brawler? Fun match with Undertaker?

I guess one decent match warrants you a spot in the list.




I am not even continuing. The fact that you give arguments like "He's in TNA, he cant be good", shows your level of stupidity. Add that to your reason of why HHH isn't on the list (being stiff), yet Mark Henry is in there, and that you bash HBK for wrestling "the old style" (lol), yet Finlay, who wrestles like it's the 80's, gets praised.

And no, one match isn't better than a dozen average matches, not especially when you are doing a list covering the entire year, and regularity is something you should take into account. If Rey Mysterio puts 3 star matches all year long, and Floyd Mayweather comes in and puts a 4 star match (random example), Rey Mysterio is still the better worker.



The list sucks, your argument sucks, and here's hoping you don't come back.

 

[hbk1991]

Oh, look, I came back.

Because THANKS TO MAYWEATHER being a crap worker we were forced to cheer for a guy that had just horrifically beaten one of the biggest babyfaces in the company a few weeks before.

No one was forced to do anything, people wanted to cheer for the pro wrestler.

The match was fucked.... Mayweather ruined the psychology of it (see above).

They had already corrected the booking well before the match. Mayweather went into the match a heel, was treated like a heel, worked that match like a heel and thus there was nothing wrong with the psychology.

BUT... Humouring you, what was so great about his work-rate in that ONE match that it warrants him being credited as one of the 100 best workers in the industry?

Mayweather knew how to carry himself like a star, played undersized chickenshit heel well and still managed to get in some believable offense, was insanely charismatic, all his spots were well timed, threw great worked punches, his selling was great...

PPV sales and buyrates are NO reflection on the actuality of the event that transpires... (Not that your reply has ANY relevance to what I said.)

Floyd/Show was the biggest match on the show, the main draw. That match contributed the most to WM's buyrate and resulted in mainstream attention for the promotion. It was a success, don't be dense.

Then what/why were you arguing?

Because you didn't agree with Henry's ranking. If you can appreciate another great big man worker, then why can't you appreciate Henry's work?

Rofl at the sad fucks on that site. I would hate to become like any of these, most likely short, fat ass, ugly losers who sit and systematically compile a fucking TOP WORKERS WRESTLING LIST on their spare time, whom no one will give a shit about.

You have over a thousand posts here, sitting in front of the computer and discussing RAW storylines seems kind of pathetic, as well.

Show me something better that came out from ECW that HBK vs Chris Jericho, Edge vs Taker, or if you want TV shows, show me something better than John Cena vs HBK.

HBK/Jericho matches were all overrated. I question Jericho's ranking on the list. Edge vs Taker wasn't even good. Cena/HBK, did they even wrestle last year?

Lol, Chavo vs Bourne was good, but not MOTY good. Putting that next to Edge vs Taker HIAC or Y2J vs HBK is laughable.

You know what's laughable? Those last two matches. I guess when the JR hype-machine calls something a classic, the common fan listens.

Give me a match from those two better than what HBK has done in 2008. Just his match at Unforgiven with Jericho tops everything Henry did.

Henry vs Finlay matches destroy anything HBK's done since the 90s.

I guess one decent match warrants you a spot in the list.

Plus the tag work.

I am not even continuing. The fact that you give arguments like "He's in TNA, he cant be good", shows your level of stupidity.

TNA's shit. Awful booking prevents the few talented wrestler on the roster having good matches.

Add that to your reason of why HHH isn't on the list (being stiff) yet Mark Henry is in there,

Henry's a monster who works like a monster.

and that you bash HBK for wrestling "the old style" (lol), yet Finlay, who wrestles like it's the 80's, gets praised.

Missed the point. HBK tries to wrestle like he did in the 90's. Same act, same moves, just done a lot slower and with poor execution.

And no, one match isn't better than a dozen average matches, not especially when you are doing a list covering the entire year, and regularity is something you should take into account. If Rey Mysterio puts 3 star matches all year long, and Floyd Mayweather comes in and puts a 4 star match (random example), Rey Mysterio is still the better worker.

Is this a fact?

The list sucks, your argument sucks, and here's hoping you don't come back.

Keep believing.

 

[Great One]

You have over a thousand posts here, sitting in front of the computer and discussing RAW storylines seems kind of pathetic, as well.

Yeah because all of my posts are certainly about Raw storylines..... try not even 3/4 of them. This is also over very many years. It's obvious this guy is one of the losers who wrote this/is on that site. That or he just needs to jump off their cock for a second.

 

[hbk1991]

Yeah because all of my posts are certainly about Raw storylines..... try not even 3/4 of them. This is also over very many years. It's obvious this guy is one of the losers who wrote this/is on that site. That or he just needs to jump off their cock for a second.

Join Date: Feb 2007. That's a little over two years. You're angry inside because your hero (in your sig!) didn't make the list. It's OK to show emotion, young gun.

 

[Great One]

I think that actually counts my post count from before when I was on the forum. And no, like said, the list is pretty much nothing, no one (except yourself/losers on that forum) cares about it =/. Sorry, man.

 

[hbk1991]

If they didn't care about it, they wouldn't comment. I was nice enough to bring some content to this little dying board, so should be thanked and not insulted. You also more than likely post elsewhere, Mr 1,721.

 

[Great One]

Uh... care about it in a sense that it holds any true credibility or merit in the wrestling business.. Also, I didn't insult you, I insulted the losers on the forum. Oh wait, thanks for confirming that you really are part of that forum and probably had a hand in writing this.

 

[hbk1991]

It's obvious this guy is one of the losers who wrote this/is on that site. That or he just needs to jump off their cock for a second.

I do not ride cocks, how insulting.

 

[Great One]

You do too!

 

[seX-Power]

You also more than likely post elsewhere, Mr 1,721.

Posts: 1,725

lulpwnt

 

[hbk1991]

Childish comment from a fan of watered down rugby, why am i not surprised.

 

[Airfixx]

No one was forced to do anything, people wanted to cheer for the pro wrestler.

They had already corrected the booking well before the match. Mayweather went into the match a heel, was treated like a heel, worked that match like a heel and thus there was nothing wrong with the psychology.

Mayweather knew how to carry himself like a star, played undersized chickenshit heel well and still managed to get in some believable offense, was insanely charismatic, all his spots were well timed, threw great worked punches, his selling was great...

If you think they "fixed it" that's you're own look out... It was a botched program. Deal with it!

Floyd/Show was the biggest match on the show, the main draw. That match contributed the most to WM's buyrate and resulted in mainstream attention for the promotion. It was a success, don't be dense.

You're the fucking dense one if you think they buy-rate of a PPV has ANYTHING to do with how good the worker subsequently performed on the night.

Because you didn't agree with Henry's ranking. If you can appreciate another great big man worker, then why can't you appreciate Henry's work?

I didn't debate Henry's ranking at all... I argued the point that he wan't in the same league as Vader, and thus that your chosen 'yardstick' was bullshit. PERIOD.

Dude you are SO fucking transparent...You're a typically conceited smark that thinks that somehow cos you can reel off bunch of shit about Indie wrestlers that you're somhow more intelligent and have a better grasp of pro-wrestling than someone that watches a big promotion... Shoulda known you'd play the "I'm older than you" card sooner or later too (like you did with CMS).

Fuck you, you deluded fool... Wrestling is fake... There's nothing in it that warrants the pretentious, po-faced attitude that so many peeps like you bring to the table.... What's the fucking point of watching some dry, puro-ish so-called clinic? ...So you can sit around with your only other friend in the world and give some random japanese guy you ultimately have no affinity to marks out of ten for their arm-bars?


I watch wrestling to be enteratined (Yknow, fun, laughter and all that stuff)...



Enjoy your list!