Why Do People Hate Ryback?

[Solidus1]

Goldberg wasn't much in the ring, in my opinion anyway.

*cough* Summerslam '03 *cough*

 

[Crayo]

Was speaking from a technical viewpoint yeah.

 

[Crayo]

*cough* Summerslam '03 *cough*

If memory serves me correctly, that was the match that had like 5 other stars? One on one match ups, Goldberg wasn't much.

Drew McIntyre was the absolute star of the 2010 elimination chamber PPV, but I wouldn't go as far as saying he's great in the ring, lol.

His intensity and performing was great though, I'm speaking specifically from a technical viewpoint. An hour-long iron man match with Goldberg involved wouldn't exactly give me a semi, if you get my drift.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Meanwhile an hour long iron man match featuring Rydick would be the bees knees

 

[Crayo]

Meanwhile an hour long iron man match featuring Rydick would be the bees knees

God no, you're lucky you missed HIAC. That was poor.

 

[Solidus1]

If memory serves me correctly, that was the match that had like 5 other stars? One on one match ups, Goldberg wasn't much.

Drew McIntyre was the absolute star of the 2010 elimination chamber PPV, but I wouldn't go as far as saying he's great in the ring, lol.

His intensity and performing was great though, I'm speaking specifically from a technical viewpoint. An hour-long iron man match with Goldberg involved wouldn't exactly give me a semi, if you get my drift.

That was the Elimination Chamber. Not only did Goldberg spear 3 people a total of 5 times, including Y2J through glass, deliver 3 Jackhammers, punch through glass to get at HHH and perform one of the best moves ever on Orton, not only that, but he made it look easy. Screaming at the camera like the animal he is, the man is the epitome of intense. Everything he did in ring suited the character he was scripted to be, he worked it better than anyone.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

I actually saw a little bit of that match and laughed at how bad it was. No flow, so clunky. Then the ending was awful.

But yea, my point was neither guy will be confused for the Dynamite Kid, but IMO Goldberg's presence and intensity trumps anything Ryback brings to the table when in the ring IMHO

 

[Crayo]

That was the Elimination Chamber. Not only did Goldberg spear 3 people a total of 5 times, including Y2J through glass, deliver 3 Jackhammers, punch through glass to get at HHH and perform one of the best moves ever on Orton, not only that, but he made it look easy. Screaming at the camera like the animal he is, the man is the epitome of intense. Everything he did in ring suited the character he was scripted to be, he worked it better than anyone.

Yeah he had a fantastic night, and as a performer he was incredible inside the ring. I'm talking from a strictly technical wrestling ability aspect. His match with Lesnar at WM for example.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Yeah he had a fantastic night, and as a performer he was incredible inside the ring. I'm talking from a strictly technical wrestling ability aspect. His match with Lesnar at WM for example.

For anyone who doesn't know; yes, let me disqualify myself; I am a Goldberg mark.

BUT

this is just a bullshit argument. You take a guys lowest moment and try to present it like it was the norm? Would you hold that match against Brock in an argument to say he wasn't the man? Both clearly were the man. The circumstances surrounding that match made it shitty. It was far from the average match for either guy. Exception, not the rule.

 

[Crayo]

this is just a bullshit argument. You take a guys lowest moment and try to present it like it was the norm? Would you hold that match against Brock in an argument to say he wasn't the man? Both clearly were the man. The circumstances surrounding that match made it shitty. It was far from the average match for either guy. Exception, not the rule.

But wasn't his point about Goldberg's EC high-moment the same type of argument? Goldberg wasn't a great technical wrestler, I believe Ryback is technically better, that's the argument I'm making. It's not even an argument, it's my opinion, Goldberg in a one-on-one match up was boring as hell (again, my opinion). He's no doubt a better performer, more intensity, more aura, all that fun stuff, but technically he was poor, where as I think Ryback has potential to be decent from what I have seen so far.

 

[Swift]

Typical, generic "monster" who got pushed to the main event almost instantly... Oh wait he beat up local jobbers.. nvm.
It was just annoying seeing some guy who beat up nothing but 95 pound jobbers get pushed to the top, while there are a bunch of guys with much more charisma and talent stuck in the lower card. He also comes off as really phony. His aggression/intensity doesn't seem natural, hell, his head bobbing alone makes him look like he doesn't know whats going on (like he's listening to a different song).

''If he wasn't good at all he wouldn't have made it on Raw in the first place, let alone NXT. '' Lol if you have the look WWE likes, you don't have to be very good ity:


He has grown on me a bit, mainly because I know I'm going to have to deal with him. I don't dislike him as much as I did a couple months ago or so, but I still rather see quite a few others guys in his position instead of him.

 

[Swift]

''His gimmick of just wanting to beat people up is great.'' Goldberg played this role better than just about anyone. Don't see how you enjoy what Ryback is doing but hate on Goldberg when he did it much better, or at least just as good.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

But wasn't his point about Goldberg's EC high-moment the same type of argument? Goldberg wasn't a great technical wrestler, I believe Ryback is technically better, that's the argument I'm making. It's not even an argument, it's my opinion, Goldberg in a one-on-one match up was boring as hell (again, my opinion). He's no doubt a better performer, more intensity, more aura, all that fun stuff, but technically he was poor, where as I think Ryback has potential to be decent from what I have seen so far.

I feel ya man, just don't agree. I think Goldberg made most matches he was in interesting because of the aura around him, but maybe it's just me. I also don't think he was nearly as poor in the ring as revisionists make it seem. Was he the man from a technical perspective? obv not. But he was far from the worst. People think of his botches that injured people (Hart) and his worst matches (Lesnar) but you can easily do the same for Ryback. Can Ryback become better in the ring? I think so. I've given it up for Ryback if you'll recall... I LOVE his potential. But to say he is superior to Goldberg at this point is a fallacy in my eyes.


part of the problem also is probably this: I think of Goldberg from his WCW heyday when I was a big watcher and not his WWE days when I stopped watching, and you are probably just the opposite. You don't put much stock into his WCW days as you didn't watch, and remember him for his (mostly lackluster) WWE run

 

[Crayo]

To be fair, WWE had no real other choice than to put Ryback in the main event after Cena's random injury.

And Dolph you're probably right. I can't say I saw every Goldberg match or moment (especially from WCW), and I can't say I was ever really a hardcore fan of his, and I guess watching old clips doesn't help catch the real talent that many people associate him with. On the other hand I've known Ryback since his FCW days, and loved him ever since his run in the Nexus, and I think he's played this Ryback character brilliantly, so I can say I've been there almost every step of the way with him and obviously that has an effect. I still think it's wrong to even compare them.

 

[Solidus1]

I saw probably 150 of 173 matches of his undefeated streak as a kid. :yay: