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[mancilla 86]

first umaga sucks! u might as well say that big daddy V is up there while your at it, second as far as big men go, no one has been more dominant as brock lesnar, or even the black lesnar bobby lashley, khali has had his moments too

 

[noumenon]

^That's just a ridiculous statement. Umaga is incredble in the ring.

 

[the dark knight]

^Yeah, because opinions have little room in debates . What's wrong with debating someone's opinion? It opens other people's minds to thinking, and the participants in the debate, guys who clearly didn't think of Big Show like Mike... re-evaluate their initial opinion.

are you serious? did you even understand what kaedon or i said? debating opinions is pretty much the reason we're all supposed to be here, not state the smarkasm 101 obvious. which is where "success" comes. a superstars' success is a FACT, why the fuck even mention it? hulk hogan is more successful than anyone else ever in the "business", does that mean we all have to like him? no. thats called our opinion, and its what kaedon wanted us to talk about.

you cant come on here and choose john cena cuz he's had long title reigns, sells lots of t-shirts, makes movies, popular with the ladies and has more money than others. wtf? thats not an opinion.

 

[Airfixx]

Umaga.... Best bonafide monster in a long time.

Props to Lesnar for bringing some decent ring skills to the 300lb musclehead role.

 

[Luke Flywalker]

lol at talking about "success" when kaedon clearly says IN YOUR OPINION.


brock lesnar.

So why can't success determine who, in your opinion, is the best monster/big man in the WWE since Kane?

And if you're looking at "since Kane", of course success would be the dynamic to judge by. Guys who contribute, get heat (or pops), and have some good feuds and shit behind them.

And he says "BEST". Best would imply they've been successful in the ring wrestling, have championships, be at least decent in storylines, be the best at feuding.

Why would it be wrong to debate opinion based on success? You're just too hungry to start shit based on nothing. Did YOU even understand what Kaedon said? Doubt it.

 

[Kaedon]

Yeah, in WCW... but I'm quite sure Kaedon means kayfabe-wise and being IN WWE. If Big Show doesn't count, then I have to say (seeing as they're prototypical big-men/monsters in terms of stature and dominance) Brock Lesnar/Bobby Lashley/Batista.

Nah I didnt count Show because he was already well established. I cant believe how many people are busting on Umaga when, to me, he is clearly the best all around big man/monster since Kane. I also didnt count Lash/Les because they werent pushed as monsters as much as they were pushed as freak legit athletes. And I didnt choose Batista because, well, hes nowhere near as good as Kane. Kozlov? While I do think he's good, he's not on the level of the big red machine. He cant sell for dick, has limited mobility like Khali, and doesnt really "frighten" people like Kane or Umaga do.

 

[the dark knight]

So why can't success determine who, in your opinion, is the best monster/big man in the WWE since Kane?

And if you're looking at "since Kane", of course success would be the dynamic to judge by. Guys who contribute, get heat (or pops), and have some good feuds and shit behind them.

And he says "BEST". Best would imply they've been successful in the ring wrestling, have championships, be at least decent in storylines, be the best at feuding.

Why would it be wrong to debate opinion based on success? You're just too hungry to start shit based on nothing. Did YOU even understand what Kaedon said? Doubt it.

you've gotta be kidding me.

In your opinion, who is the best big man/monster to come along since Kane? The WWE has pushed many of them and most of them have come and gone, so I have to give this to Umaga. The guy is just great all around. Everyone else has either gotten hot and flammed out a la Snitsky/Heidenreich or they never got that over a la Matt Morgan. What do you think?

in my opinion, goldust is better than batista.
in my opinion, the the BMW 135i is better than the nissan GTR.
in my opinion, black is a better color than pink.
in my opinion, democracy sucks.


THOSE, my friend, are opinions. catching up?

 

[Luke Flywalker]

you've gotta be kidding me.



in my opinion, goldust is batista.
in my opinion, the the BMW 135i is better than the nissan GTR.
in my opinion, black is a better color than pink.
in my opinion, democracy sucks.


THOSE, my friend, are opinions. catching up?

Yes, but there is a REASON that DEBATES exist... and that is to counter opinions with opinions in the attempt to influence someone to expand their opinion, or at least accept that your opinion is reasonable.

In my opinion, SUCCESS DETERMINES who the BEST MONSTER is in the WWE, so by your logic, you're a hypocrite for arguing that success shouldn't influence my opinion.

 

[the dark knight]

............*facepalm*

it may INFLUENCE your opinion, but it cant be YOUR opinion. if your opinion goes by success, you're a fucking poser. period.


can i ask who's your least fav. superstar?

 

[Luke Flywalker]

My least favorite superstar? Ron Killings. Hate everything about the guy, always have, always will.

And why wouldn't success determine who is the BEST monster?

He didn't ask me who our FAVORITE monster is since Kane. He asked who we think is the BEST monster is since Kane?

Fine me one Olympic sprinter who never won one Gold and call him the best... and I'll call you mentally Blue.

 

[the dark knight]

My least favorite superstar? Ron Killings. Hate everything about the guy, always have, always will.

ok, fast forward 10 years later and hypothetically ron killings is 20 times world champion and 3 time royal rumble winner + 5 movie deals and 3 albums. are you gonna like him then?

And why wouldn't success determine who is the BEST monster?

oh it definitely would, like i said above (see the hogan example). but is this the case here? i mean, if someone had won everything there is to be won, then he's clearly the "best". so if he is, why the fuck bother discussing it? what are you gonna add? he's already the best....thanks for stating the obvious.

He didn't ask me who our FAVORITE monster is since Kane. He asked who we think is the BEST monster is since Kane?

which is pretty much who's your favorite...........an opinion can not be argued.

if we're discussing who's the best, without mentioning the word "opinion" then khali is the only successful monster since kane because he's the only one to hold a world title, discussion closed, no opinions needed, PERIOD

Fine me one Olympic sprinter who never won one Gold and call him the best... and I'll call you mentally Blue.

really now? you just proved everything i said. see dickhead, a gold medal winner IS the best (of that time) without a fucking doubt. what kind of a fucking OPINION can you give? what we watch is a fucking television series based on wrestling with some fans watching it live.

 

[Luke Flywalker]

ok, fast forward 10 years later and hypothetically ron killings is 20 times world champion and 3 time royal rumble winner + 5 movie deals and 3 albums. are you gonna like him then?

I'll give him his respect and call him the best.

oh it definitely would, like i said above (see the hogan example). but is this the case here? i mean, if someone had won everything there is to be won, then he's clearly the "best". so if he is, why the fuck bother discussing it? what are you gonna add? he's already the best....thanks for stating the obvious.

Because you can argue what makes someone the best based on opinion. Khali and Big Show have both respectively done amazing. Mark Henry defeated all the monsters in the battle royal on ECW, he established his mark among them and carried the ECW title.

Yes, what someone would consider successful differs. But why can't success determine your opinion? Oh, because it's not opinion anymore. Why isn't it opinion anymore? If that's the scale you use, that's the scale you use.

which is pretty much who's your favorite...........an opinion can not be argued.

Opinions can be argued. It's about all that you can argue... are you blind to this? Views on abortion for example... in one man's opinion, it's wrong and murder. In another man's opinion, it's not a life, and therefore, is not wrong. Those are differing opinions in one of the most debated/argued topics in the world.

if we're discussing who's the best, without mentioning the word "opinion" then khali is the only successful monster since kane because he's the only one to hold a world title, discussion closed, no opinions needed, PERIOD

To the IWF maybe, but not to kayfabe. If we're talking about guys who debuted IN WWE, as a new persona other than anything they did outside of WWE, Big Show would be the best, most successful, monster since Kane. But you could say Khali and base his stardom in his own nation as a reason for how he's more globally important, etc. That would be interjecting an entirely new idea to the argument for people to consider, which could ALTER their opinion based on new data being considered.

really now? you just proved everything i said. see dickhead, a gold medal winner IS the best (of that time) without a fucking doubt. what kind of a fucking OPINION can you give? what we watch is a fucking television series based on wrestling with some fans watching it live.

Okay, but to say that someone who isn't a gold medal winner can compete with gold medal winners, is asinine, right? But then you might have a guy who won two golds, and got beat out on his third try, finishing for silver... that doesn't mean the other gold medalist isn't a gold medalist, but people's opinions can differ. At this time, he's more successful in this event, and may have a future ahead of him, whereas the other guy already won 2, and now he's a silver medalist.

Khali might have a future, but Big Show's done a lot already. Mark Henry could be the best ever in 5 years from now, but what's he done compared to Lesnar (if you call Lesnar a monster)?

Opinion can be influenced by fact and still be opinion.

 

[Kaedon]

guys your getting off topic. Lets talk about how great Umaga is

 

[Qwake]

^ Agreed, Umaga is awesome! He should be taking Kane's place once Kane retires, but come to think of it, Umaga already sort of is begining to take Kane's place after beating Punk. Umaga's moveset is awesome too, best big man around.....If only he could talk.

 

[Kaedon]

Eh, I think if youre gonna be used as the guy to get others over, you dont really need to talk. What I think may hurt him in the long run is how hard it is to turn him face where its a lot easier with Kane