Who is the overall best member of The Shield?

[Aurtle The Turtle]

Dean Ambrose has been the consistently best and over of the three to this day, the only one who has been a genuinely popular true babyface. I'd say Ambrose and Roman are actually way above Seth in a lot of ways but Rollins is so endearing that he's won a lot of people over as the indy darling who has shown how well he can do in a big company.

It's all subjective, like who you like as all three of them are pretty damn equal, they're all being booked poorly anyways and no way near as popular as they should be at this stage.

 

[Drew]

Can talk when he's given free reign and is not told to say some of the awful tater tots lines.

He can talk when not having regurgitated lines on a script. Plays the badass/cool guy shtick well.

True.

And I love dean, find myself as his only supporter in some of these threads. But it's hard to go against Seth when he's on and healthy

 

[Crippler]

Vince killed him for a while with that sufferin succotash shit

 

[Deezy]

Homeboy did get a crowd to chant "tater tots"

 

[The Phenom]

Roman...

Marks can't admit it but the guy has it all. Doesn't have bad matches, can talk, has the look.

He does have the look and has been putting on better matches but I'm sorry he can not talk.

 

[Deezy]

He does have the look and has been putting on better matches but I'm sorry he can not talk.

Odd statement considering you have the undertaker in your av tbh.

You don't have to be The Rock or Ric Flair on the mic to get over. Some people just have "it" and The Guy has "it".

 

[The Phenom]

Undertaker has nothing to do with this convo tho?? Your point of mentioning that is moot but thanks for pointing that out....Taker is better on the mic than Roman to btw IMO.....but Taker's so great he doesn't have to talk...Roman on the other hand would never make it + 20 years without getting his promo skills better.

 

[Deezy]

Undertaker can have his own botchamania special on him tripping over his words like some people did for Roman when the backlash was happening.

Reigns mic ability is subjective as fuck, if you don't like him, you will always have that opinion. Doesn't matter if he recites the Gettysburg address with the eloquence of an orator, it'll never get props.

 

[The Phenom]

Not true in my case....I really want to like Roman but they are slowly doing the same with him as they did with Super Cena.......Just force feeding us....I literally see Vince with a spoon of Roman Reigns trying to force feed the WWE universe and that's sad...The face of the company should be organic not forced....Austin was organic....Cena was forced as is Roman now!

 

[Deezy]

There's no such thing as an organic push, it's an oxymoron.

Cena wasn't force fed and neither was Reigns, making a guy the franchise is how the business has always been and has always drawn money.

Pretty sure putting the title on Hogan his first few matches in WWF is being force fed, I'm pretty sure giving a guy an IC title in under 30 seconds and beating Hogan at mania clean is considered being force fed.

Austin wasn't organic, he was pushed heavily as a heel and got over....That's nothing organic about that.

Just because someone was heel, doesn't mean they got over organically....They were being pushed regardless of hat colour.

This entire notion of force feeding an audience is just laughable at this point, there's a reason why Cena was made the franchise player....He has made that company hundreds of millions of dollars.

They can only hope and pray Roman Reigns is Cena 2.0.

 

[Roadster]

Cena was more organic. They capitalized his massive popularity and saturated him into a nuisance.

He had a lot of strengths and opportunities. I don't blame WWE for wanting to have Cena be the face of the company. But as with most things WWE does, they go a little too far. I enjoyed Cena, until around the time of his year long reign as champion. As it was the same formula, time and time, again.

Though I must say that WWE's handling of John Cena has kind of killed the concept of a "push" in WWE. WWE can't make another corporate face without receiving massive backlash and/or having the project fumble. I'd doubt if WWE had the same patience as they've had with Reigns, with anyone else on the roster if they got the machine behind them.

 

[Roadster]

There's no such thing as an organic push, it's an oxymoron.

Cena wasn't force fed and neither was Reigns, making a guy the franchise is how the business has always been and has always drawn money.

Pretty sure putting the title on Hogan his first few matches in WWF is being force fed, I'm pretty sure giving a guy an IC title in under 30 seconds and beating Hogan at mania clean is considered being force fed.

Austin wasn't organic, he was pushed heavily as a heel and got over....That's nothing organic about that.

Just because someone was heel, doesn't mean they got over organically....They were being pushed regardless of hat colour.

This entire notion of force feeding an audience is just laughable at this point, there's a reason why Cena was made the franchise player....He has made that company hundreds of millions of dollars.

They can only hope and pray Roman Reigns is Cena 2.0.

Organic push is only an oxymoron if you look at the words in it's literal context. Organically getting over, and having the popularity that comes with- being the launching pad that allows the company to take notice and allow for more and more of that specific wrestler to be on TV is an organic push.

WWE didn't give Daniel Bryan the "Yes" gimmick because they thought it was going to get him over. They thought it was annoying and funny. Having that turn around, and getting popular allowed for "Yes" merchandise and making it his gimmick. That was organic, did WWE push it? Yes, but hardly did WWE make it for the purpose of being the merchandise and licensing giant it became.

 

[Deezy]

Organic push is only an oxymoron if you look at the words in it's literal context. Organically getting over, and having the popularity that comes with- being the launching pad that allows the company to take notice and allow for more and more of that specific wrestler to be on TV is an organic push.

WWE didn't give Daniel Bryan the "Yes" gimmick because they thought it was going to get him over. They thought it was annoying and funny. Having that turn around, and getting popular allowed for "Yes" merchandise and making it his gimmick. That was organic, did WWE push it? Yes, but hardly did WWE make it for the purpose of being the merchandise and licensing giant it became.

Bryan came up with that to be annoying himself, he had stated that himself.

He also had the most merchandise after Cena during his first title win. Don't mix kayfabe and reality.....If he wasn't meant to be pushed, he wouldn't have had all that TV time directed towards him.

Was he meant for mania? No, we all know that. But guess what.....He was still pushed over 3 established Maine enters in one night....That's not organic....That's a force fed reaction.

 

[Roadster]

Bryan came up with that to be annoying himself, he had stated that himself.

He also had the most merchandise after Cena during his first title win. Don't mix kayfabe and reality.....If he wasn't meant to be pushed, he wouldn't have had all that TV time directed towards him.

Was he meant for mania? No, we all know that. But guess what.....He was still pushed over 3 established Maine enters in one night....That's not organic....That's a force fed reaction.

<wasnt intended to be in mania main event
<ended up there and it was force fed

It was organic because the crowd, not the company, wanted him there.The company delivered.

 

[Deezy]

<wasnt intended to be in mania main event
<ended up there and it was force fed

It was organic because the crowd, not the company, wanted him there.The company delivered.

All pushes are manufactured.....Not organic.

The wording itself should tell everyone that.