Where are your standards people?

[noumenon]

^Isn't Creed in college? I read somewhere a while back that he takes time off to go to school.

And as I said in another thread. RAW is more focused on how many C list celebrities they can squeeze into two hours than actually bettering their product and entertaining their fans.

 

[monkeystyle]

Watching Raw these days is like choosing to bone a fat chick over a smoking hot model.

 

[MizMasta3000]

^^^So watch RAW wasted from now on

 

[monkeystyle]

I'll still remember the shame.

 

[Chuck Taylor's Grenade]

South Park pretty much nailed what WWE is about with their WTF episode. Nothing but talking. It's like they've forgotten how to use matches to sell storylines and psychology.

TNA may do some ungodly stupid shit on Impact but when it comes to (most) payperviews they deliver on at least one or two matches. From what I hear Turning Point was one of the best payperviews they've had all year (Truthslayer even gave it a 9.0 on youtube) with Nigel vs. Angle being called a MOTYC.

 

[monkeystyle]

Angle/Nigel and the triple threat match were fantastic.

But again that just makes me angrier with TNA because it would be so easy for them to do what they need to do to beat the WWE but for whatever stupid reason they just don't do it.

 

[Great One]

Foley's incessant heel/face turns.

Abyss as a muppet.

Jay Lethal losing cleanly to Jim Neidhart in two minutes.

Eric Young. We're supposed to take him and the WE seriously but his stable is full of jobbers.

I can keep going...

He's booked as the most 'unpredictable character' like Tenay always brings up, so where is the lack of logic exactly? How many times has he turned anyways? I think it has only been two true heel turns max, one vs. Sting, one vs. Abyss, correct? I remember something with the Mafia, but I don't remember what came out of it.

Abyss won his match at BFG vs. essentially three people, I don't see so wrong with how he's being booked. Now he's teaming with Foley vs. the ECW Originals, pretty sweet if you ask me, Raven and Stevie together again.

I agree this was fucking DUMB. However, we should wait to see where this goes, maybe they're building a feud on this where Lethal eventually overcomes, dunno.

Dude, the thing with Eric Young is, he's the ONLY fucking guy in TNA that gets genuine heat. People HATE him, and TNA haven't really had someone like this since Jarrett was hogging the title. He gets the Vickie/X-Pac etc. heat which I think is good TNA capitalize in on this instance since it's so rare for the Impact fans to even truly hate anyone. Why does a stable HAVE to have main event stars? Isn't the point of a stable for someone to make a name for themselves? That seems to be what the World Elite is trying to do.

That is not my problem. They are the ones who need to credibly build up their stars, not me.

Yeah, but they were both former champions prior to their shot at the title, which at least deduces some credibility.

 

[Chuck Taylor's Grenade]

The problem is TNA is like an airplane that just takes off and lands repeatedly. Once they get in the air they don't know how to keep altitude. Blame who you will for that but that's what it boils down to. Feuds make no goddamn sense because people switch heel/face so much fans can't keep up. And Impact is a complete clusterfuck most of the time with so many cuts and switches I swear Michael Bay is directing it.

 

[Great One]

The fuck are you even getting this? Who is switching heel/face? Angle has been the only significant fucking face turn and what cuts/switches? There has been no brawl since BFG.

 

[Chuck Taylor's Grenade]

Foley switches every other impact. And as far as cuts and switches I meant the camera never stays in one place for more than 2 minutes.

 

[Great One]

Didn't I JUST go over this? Read up. And that is ONE person that you named, one person validates you saying:

The problem is TNA is like an airplane that just takes off and lands repeatedly. Once they get in the air they don't know how to keep altitude. Blame who you will for that but that's what it boils down to. Feuds make no goddamn sense because people switch heel/face so much fans can't keep up.

?

I guess the camera isn't as stable as WWE, but I personally haven't been picky enough to think of it as that big of a deal. One thing that I thought was cool is that the camera team followed Lashley to the hotel for Steiner instead of a camera magically popping up there like it would in the WWE. TNA logic > WWE.

 

[Chuck Taylor's Grenade]

Well the other person I could mention is Kevin Nash. The obvious path would have been for Nash to turn face after EY screwed him out of the global/legends belt and Nash looked to go on the warpath against EY.

A third person I forgot about was Awesome Kong. Kong was heel for a long time then turned face for maybe 2 months before turning back heel again.

The point about the camera not staying in the same place for more than two minutes has nothing to do with cloverfield shaky cam style (I actually like that style when it comes to backstage brawl segments). The point was that in the span of 5 minutes you would see an in ring segment, an interview by Lauren, an interview by Jeremy Borash, and a backstage segment. They don't give anything any real time for people to digest things. It's like you sneeze and the show is over there when it was over here a second ago. IDK I just don't like Russo's crash tv style. It's like their trying to do too much and it just hurts the product IMO.

 

[MizMasta3000]

TNA doesnt develop face/heels turns, they just happen. One week Christopher daniels is good guy, next week hes fully fledged. Team 3D came out to a freakin pop tonight almost

Since when is The Pope go from Suicide feud to fighting veterans and being a nice upper card face?

 

[Chuck Taylor's Grenade]

that's the problem they don't build tension for turns or anything. it's like

person 1-yay so and so

person two-he's a heel

person one-since when?

person two-since five minutes ago.

 

[LKP]

Tna have the right theory though. Who gives a crap if a bad guy fights a bad guy? It does not really matter. People should fight people cause they can have good matches and feuds. So if orton comes out and calls out Jericho, and they fight does that make Orton a face? No it doesn't, if the fans cheer Orton for it so what? Next week he will fight Kofi say and go back to being a heel. It is marks/nerds like people on the net that make this shit sound worse than it really does. It does not matter if daniels is hee lor face as long as he fights someone and entertains us i cant see the problem. WWE are different though, they love rey and cena as their faces so merch sales. Edge and Orton have good merch sales as heels so i cant see the problem.