Well Known Controversial Racial Topic about WWE...

[Solid Snake]

Big E should go on a solo run and carry the main belt.

But this likely won't happen.

 

[Solid Snake]

we
are all human..

Pff... You know we aren't all hoomens. shock2:

Spoiler

:madcat:

 

[Solid Snake]

Mark Henry should've been WWE Champion.

I often forget about him which is a shame. He should have held the belt for his title's sake alone but for some reason, he never did.

 

[SWL]

New Day is the biggest tag team in the company and they treat them exactly like that, Naomi got to win the Smackdown women's title 2 times last year despite not being the best performer on the roster at all and Jinder Mahal, who's from indian heritage, won the oh-so-important WWE title last year as well. Besides, I wouldn't even be able to name a black wrestler, in recent memory, who should have won the WWE title. Like, should they put the strap on Shelton or Bobby just for the sake of saying "woo we did it"?
And the funny thing about it is, they've tried to push many black people in the past but it never worked out for them. Bobby Lashley got a monster push in 2007 but the crowd didn't care enough about him so they didn't pull the trigger on a WWE title run, Ezekiel Jackson was rumored to get a huge push back in 2010 when he was the last official ECW champion but that fell trough because he was shit in the ring, same for people like Titus, R-Truth or Ahmed Jackson.

I'm certain that there will be a black WWE champion one day and it hopefully won't be overshadowed by the fact that he's black. If you make decisions or judgements based on race, you already lost because that's not what it's supposed to be about

 

[Unbesiegbar]

I often forget about him which is a shame. He should have held the belt for his title's sake alone but for some reason, he never did.

Bro my dad atill to this day marks out over his fake retirement promo. And he's just a casual fan. I mean he was kind of a big fan in the 80's and 90's maybe the 70's

 

[Redboy123@]

Bro my dad atill to this day marks out over his fake retirement promo. And he's just a casual fan. I mean he was kind of a big fan in the 80's and 90's maybe the 70's

I have noticed that casual fans love Mark Henry. Like everything about him was just so marketable.

 

[Solid Snake]

Bro my dad atill to this day marks out over his fake retirement promo. And he's just a casual fan. I mean he was kind of a big fan in the 80's and 90's maybe the 70's

I just remember the salmon shirt he wore. He made salmon pink a true heel color.

 

[Jacob Fox]

I get so irritated about people saying the Rock was not the first black WWE Champion because he either doesn't identify as being black (words I have NEVER heard come out of his mouth) and he concentrates more on his Samoan heritage. Is it required for a black man to come out and say "Hey, I am black?" in order for us to recognize him as black?

First off, the person most mentioned in conjunction with the Rock has been his dad, Rocky Johnson. He has "identified" with his father, a black man, more than any other member of his family.

Second, this biracial nonsense. It reminds me of what some people said about Barack Obama not being "black enough" to be the first black president. Or, people who say that because I am only a quarter Shawnee that I am not "Native" enough. But you know what's funny? I am 50% Dutch and 25% German. I've never heard anyone tell me I am not German enough to identify being German. None of that negates the fact that the Rock is black.

Third, the Rock doesn't identify as black? Really? You know, his first big story line was becoming a member of the Nation of Domination. In his speech explaining why he joined, he referred to himself as black.

We cannot say that the Rock doesn't identify as black unless the Rock comes right out and tells us, "I don't identify as black." To my knowledge he has never done this. And why would it matter? It's well known that OJ Simpson didn't identify himself as being black before being arrested (I'm not black, I'm OJ), did that make him not black? It really didn't. I doubt that if he mom was Samoan people would be saying OJ wasn't black. Hell, Michael Jackson changed the color of his skin and that didn't make him not black.

Do black people have to come out of the closet and admit they are black in order to be considering black? No and the whole thought of that is stupid.

The pure fact of the matter is that the Rock is the first black WWE Champion. I am sorry, but there is not a single argument against it that makes sense. I think a lot of people say this because they feel like if they can disqualify him as the first black champ, then we can talk about who the first black champ might be.

This is an old and tired discussion that keeps coming back.

 

[Solid Snake]

The pure fact of the matter is that the Rock is the first black WWE Champion. I am sorry, but there is not a single argument against it that makes sense. I think a lot of people say this because they feel like if they can disqualify him as the first black champ, then we can talk about who the first black champ might be.

I think a lot of people view him as not being black because he isn't 100% black. That seems to be an issue with a lot of people these days, not just wrestling fans. Just because a person is only half or less than half black or any other race doesn't automatically make that disappear. That is like the old argument of "you are only what your dad is" in terms of race. It makes no sense.

Just because the Rock isn't being a stereotype in people's minds doesn't make him less black (or not black at all).

I do think plenty of black men should have held the title other than just the Rock but for some reason, it never happened.

 

[Jacob Fox]

Okay let me ask you where is The World Heavy-weight Title now? Reason why they say The World Heavy-weight Title is secondary is because it is not here anymore, and there was another secondary World Title to take it's place. That is The Universal Belt. Probably in the future there will be another one.

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Where is the WCW title? It's been defunct for a long time. However, people still recognize Ron Simmons as the first black world champion ever. The fact that a belt doesn't exist anymore does not erase the history of that belt. And actually, the World Heavyweight Championship merged with the WWE Championship so the title lineage exists through the WWE Championship belt.

I actually agree that WWE seems to pass up giving a deserved title run to some great black wrestlers. I always thought Bad News Brown would have made a great world champion. Or the Junkyard Dog. The list goes on and on.

 

[Jacob Fox]

I just want to add that if we're going to ask this question, we should ask "Why hasn't there been a WWE Champion SINCE the Rock who was black?" By not acknowledging the Rock as the first black WWE Champion... it's a slap in the face to the man.

 

[Stopspot]

Where is the WCW title? It's been defunct for a long time. However, people still recognize Ron Simmons as the first black world champion ever. The fact that a belt doesn't exist anymore does not erase the history of that belt. And actually, the World Heavyweight Championship merged with the WWE Championship so the title lineage exists through the WWE Championship belt.

I actually agree that WWE seems to pass up giving a deserved title run to some great black wrestlers. I always thought Bad News Brown would have made a great world champion. Or the Junkyard Dog. The list goes on and on.

Looking back at it, JYD not getting the belt (or at least a program for it) is just weird. When Vince signed him he was one of the biggest names down in the Southern territories and he came in with a fair deal of hype.

Hopefully Big E can be the first black WWE champion in a long time. But getting that belt means you have to tic a whole lot of boxes with the boss it seems in regards to personality, marketability etc etc etc

 

[Jacob Fox]

Looking back at it, JYD not getting the belt (or at least a program for it) is just weird. When Vince signed him he was one of the biggest names down in the Southern territories and he came in with a fair deal of hype.

Hopefully Big E can be the first black WWE champion in a long time. But getting that belt means you have to tic a whole lot of boxes with the boss it seems in regards to personality, marketability etc etc etc

JYD had a DECENT short match with Flair for the NWA title but that was unfortunately the extent of his title runs. They weren't going to do it in WWF because Hogan was the face and it would have been stupid to turn JYD heel. Back in those days, imagine how unheard of a face on face match was.

And I'm not explaining, because I know you're smart and you already know this. I am just musing.

 

[Jacob Fox]

If you look at it in kayfabe the fact a black guy hasn't won the wwe title is just weird.

He did. His name was the Rock.

I truly understand why a lot of you guys say Shelton was bland. But over the years there have been many Superstars who were bland but once the responsibility of the Main Event scene came they got flavor. Prime example is Daniel Bryan after he won his first World Title.

Shelton Benjamin was awesome and absolutely deserved a run with the WWE title.

This may not be noticable to some, but as the years go by the more blatant it becomes.

You see there are fans upset that guys like Bray Wyatt and Jinder Mahal received The Title and guys like Kofi Kingston and Shelton Benjamin didn't. Those people couldn't stand that those guys were Champions, but guys like Benjamin and Kofi never got it even after all the OMG moments they gave us.

As soon as Shelton Benjamin returned everyone thought he was going to be in the Main Event scene, but they put him in a Tag Team scene. A lot of people saw that as a waste of opportunity. Fans are still pissed about that. I would have loved to have seen a AJ Styles rivalry.

You do all the epic return promos like you are finally going to shoot him for the stars, but as soon as he comes back you put him back in the mid-card scene. They are just using him to fill a slot on the card. He is not getting any Storylines or Title matches he deserves... My reaction is SM F-ing H

I don't even want to start talking about they waste Kofi, Big E, and Xavier with the New Day gimmick. A lot of people are also beginning to say they are being wasted used in that way.

AJ vs Shelton would have been awesome. I mean, beyond awesome. And Xavier Woods is the one from the New Day I would want to see most as champ... talented and charismatic and capable of so much.

 

[Redboy123@]

If the Rock is black then why does this thread exist?