Vince vs. Triple H

[SWL]

so apparently Triple H and Vince both have 2 completely different ideas for the Universal title match at Mania this year and tbh, they both make sense in their own way.

• So, Triple H's plan is pretty straight forward. Brock holds the Universal title up until Mania and Rollins then takes it off of him there. Makes a lot of sense, given that Rollins has always been one of Triple H's guys and rightfully so. Seth's amazing and he'd definitely put on a great match with Lesnar. Brock has proven that he gels quite well with guys like Punk, Bryan, Styles, so on and so forth.

• Vince's plan on the other hand, would be to have Strowman take the title off of Lesnar at the Rumble, so that Drew McIntyre can challenge Strowman for the title at Mania. So Rollins wouldn't even be a part of anything here, which saddens me because it shows that Vince wouldn't necessarily consider Rollins to be one of his top babyfaces, even though he's really found his footing as a good guy over the past year.

The most interesting thing about all of this for me tho, is the fact that Vince is the one who'd have Lesnar lose the title sooner than Triple H would. Then again, this might just come down to business and given that Vince is a big numbers guy, he probably isn't too happy with paying Brock these insane amounts of money for his appearances.

Personally, if this situation between the 2 ideas is actually true, I'm more for Triple H's approach. It's more traditional and puts one of the best workers they have against their biggest name in the company.
McIntyre vs Strowman just lacks certain depth for now. Even though Drew's been amazing as of late, Braun hasn't done much recently and neither of them have had a big singles match on a big stage, whereas Rollins and Lesnar just seem like the perfect candidates for it. Not only match quality wise, but also storyline wise.

What are your guys' thoughts on both ideas? Are you more for Brock losing the title as soon as possible or would you wait a couple months for, arguably, a bigger pay off?

 

[Solid Snake]

Brock holding it till Mania sounds like a bad idea but it will better cement Seth as champ. Brock can ride off into the sunset after.
Strowman kind of got washed up with booking. They'd need at least 6 months to make his character mean something again. (They ain't got time for dat!)

 

[Mr. Roman Empire]

Strowman and McIntyre is an undercard match. And Vince is 100% behind Lesnar being Universal Champion for Wrestlemania. If he wasn't , he wouldn't be paying him all that money. Lesnar is the biggest heel and the money fight. Rollins is going through a great babyface story that will most likely result in him winning Royal Rumble and beating Lesnar at Wrestlemania and devoting his win to Roman.

 

[Redboy123@]

Brock vs Rollins is the bigger and better quality match.

Braun vs Drew just isn't wrestlemania worthy.

 

[SWL]

Strowman kind of got washed up with booking. They'd need at least 6 months to make his character mean something again. (They ain't got time for dat!)

this is where I wouldn't underestimate Vince. Just remember the last time he wanted Strowman to be over back in 2016-17. Once he gives a certain wrestler all of his attention, he has the ability to make people care about said wrestler. Doesn't always work as we all know, but he's proven that he can still do it, like he's been doing with Drew apparently.

And Vince is 100% behind Lesnar being Universal Champion for Wrestlemania.

that's why I think it's easier for Vince to agree with Triple H's plan, given that it's still somewhat up his alley

 

[Doxo]

The way I see it, Rollins will always be over, but right now McIntyre is way more over. Not only will having Strowman lose to Brock again just kill Braun, but not striking while the iron is hot will kill Drew. Rollins on the other hand doesn't really lose anything by not being involved, and Brock... We don't really need him. I'm with Vince here

 

[SWL]

The way I see it, Rollins will always be over, but right now McIntyre is way more over. Not only will having Strowman lose to Brock again just kill Braun, but not striking while the iron is hot will kill Drew. Rollins on the other hand doesn't really lose anything by not being involved, and Brock... We don't really need him. I'm with Vince here

from that standpoint it actually makes a lot more sense, especially the Strowman part because he's lost to Lesnar a lot now. On the other hand, both Drew and Braun could still do something cool at Mania and then challenge Rollins for the title after Mania. I guess the only issue would be the way they book themselves out of the Strowman/Lesnar Rumble match-up. Maybe they could end it with a McIntyre interference, which could set up a #1 contender's match at Mania between Strowman/McIntyre in general. I mean, it's highly unlikely that that will actually happen but I miss #1 contender matches on PPVs.

The biggest thing for me is that I don't think that both Strowman and McIntyre are capable of having a banging world title match at a Mania yet. Even if they're both the most over people on the roster (next to Rollins), Strowman's more of a multi-man match guy and even though Drew has a lot of in-ring experience, I just can't see them have good chemistry in a ring. Then again, they're welcome to prove me wrong if Vince has his way. The rumble will definitely reveal a lot this year

 

[Redboy123@]

Does Mclntyre get a loud crowd reaction? I don't see that much mania for him. Sure, he is really good...but I don't think he is riding that much momentum to surf into the wrestlemania main event.

Who am I kidding? Becky is main eventing anyway.

 

[SWL]

Does Mclntyre get a loud crowd reaction? I don't see that much mania for him. Sure, he is really good...but I don't think he is riding that much momentum to surf into the wrestlemania main event.

Who am I kidding? Becky is main eventing anyway.

I'd say McIntyre gets decent reactions. I mean, he's a heel in every sense of the word, so the crowd's aren't gonna pop when his entrance music hits, but I'd say most in the arena are usually invested in him and what he does.

And yes, the women will definitely headline Mania this year. It's not a shocker tho. Even without Becky's meteoric rise, the plan was for Ronda to main event Mania against Charlotte. Let's just keep our fingers crossed that neither Ronda nor Becky get injured while we get there lol

 

[The Sheik]

If Lesnar and Rollins happens at Mania, good luck to the women at standing a chance at that main-event spot.

 

[Snowman1]

This is a really good question, and a hell of a topic.

 

[SWL]

If Lesnar and Rollins happens at Mania, good luck to the women at standing a chance at that main-event spot.

well it would definitely be hard for them to top whatever Rollins and Lesnar would pull out of their sleeves. But given that Vince is very high on both Ronda & Becky right now, and doesn't seem to even want Rollins near the world title picture according to his own plans, it's totally plausible for him to let the women main event the show over Rollins. Only time will tell tho

 

[Redboy123@]

Rollins fighting for Roman. Brock was everything the shield fought against. Injustice. This is a good story.

What would be Drew vs Braun's story? Absolutely nothing. It would be a good midcard match tho.

Why not a fatal four way?

 

[Snowman1]

It's all weird, because at this point doesn't the WM main event have to be about either A: Becky Lynch, or B: creating a new big star for Raw?

While Smackdown has AJ Styles, Daniel Bryan, and so many big name nostalgia acts... Raw desperately needs to make Rollins as big a star as possible since he's the only guy I really see with anything close to main-event potential (sure there's some guys they can push, but lol), I just worry that a big crowning moment for Seth Rollins would make him a champion much like AJ Styles was on Smackdown. AJ's title reign kinda sucked (through little fault of his own) and even at his hottest after the gauntlet he was nowhere near as hot as Braun was at his peak... Then again, Seth's pretty booking-proof since he'll always be some level of over due to his wrestling... The build for Rollins vs Lesnar does seem really good, and the story of fighting for Roman is good (plus it just has that "sports feel" of the clash of styles leading to a good match)... If Seth Rollins winds up winning the Royal Rumble, too, at this point that seems like a really happy ending and the jump-start into 2019 we need (though we saw how much good that did this yaer)

As for the second option, as we've seen Braun isn't booking-proof at all, and as red-hot as he's been I can't help but wonder if they worry about him in the ring. He's never been asked to truly carry a one-on-one match, has he? And... strangely enough, he'd almost feel like the heel in this matchup as a damaged character going up against the "young talent with all the tools" in Mcintyre a lot of guys are wanting to see rise to become world champion. The thought of Drew toppling Braun, possibly even clean, leading up to an impending turn on whoever the GM is and reign as the new top face could... probably be more interesting and feel hotter than seeing Seth as champ.

But still, the title win aside, I can't help but feel like that matchup feels a little weird for the Universal (though Mcintyre winning the Rumble would be cool, too) and wouldn't feel totally right at the top of the card... It's tempting to even say let Seth win it, slay Brock and get some cred and then drop it clean two months later to Drew, but a long Seth reign may be cool? (Man, that Raw roster tho)

It's tough, but I'm voting for SR

 

[Mr. Roman Empire]

this is where I wouldn't underestimate Vince. Just remember the last time he wanted Strowman to be over back in 2016-17. Once he gives a certain wrestler all of his attention, he has the ability to make people care about said wrestler. Doesn't always work as we all know, but he's proven that he can still do it, like he's been doing with Drew apparently.


that's why I think it's easier for Vince to agree with Triple H's plan, given that it's still somewhat up his alley

But how did you come to the conclusion that its Triple H's plan? Everything especially whatever concerns Brock Lesnar, the ME at Wrestlemania, and the Universal title is ALL Vince. Always has been, and always will be until the day he dies most likely.