Unpopular Opinion

[Mr. Roman Empire]

Will probably get some shit for this but does anyone else feel like the push for Womens wrestling is just so terrible for WWE? Now dont get me wrong, there are some good female wrestlers on the roster. But when it comes down to it, there is only like 2 maybe 3 that are worth a shit (that can have a good match AND shoot a promo).

My problems not with womens wrestling as much as it is with the AMOUNT of time they are given each week. WWE being very politically correct nowadays likes to give the ladies just as much time as the boys. Things have gotten a bit better since they let Becky come out of her shell, and take on a sort of Conor mcGregor persona. And i think Ronda is great, but she really needs to be heel. Other than that, everyone else is pretty stale.

 

[Snowman1]

It's weird. If you ask me, behind the IWGP Championship, the most prestigious championship in wrestling is definitely the NXT Women's Championship.

It's so strange. The NXT Women's division has been consistently been putting on compelling television since it's inception. From Paige breaking barriers to Summer Rae's rapid improvement to the rise of Charlotte to the entire slow-burn rise of Bayley to the dominance of Sasha's star power to Becky's underdog tale to Asuka's reign of terror to the current reign of actual terror that Shayna is causing... NXT's women's division has always been a joy to watch. We got incredible storylines for each women, rapidly improving wrestlers, entertaining side-stories, compelling stories and most Takeovers being a pile of emotion that let these girls leave us something to talk about at the end of the day...

And each of them. Every single one, except maybe Charlotte (and obviously recently Becky), is worse on the main roster.

As much as I love so many of these ladies on the roster, and loved the Evolution PPV, I can't help but agree with you.
Based on what they're showing on main roster WWE TV less focus on the women is probably for the best.
Either way it's best for them to try to give someone a true story arc, male or female.
Shoot. If they let Sasha and Bayley stand up to Alexa in a way that matters, that works. If they replace her segment with a vignette of Curt Hawkins trying to find himself, that works. If they replace it with Jinder Mahal vs No Way Jose, go on somewhere.

But it's WWE. They're worried about making money, they want to get eyeballs on Mixed Match Challenge to push their standing with Facebook, that makes them more money than actual creative writing. It's easier to single out the women and how they all just fall apart on the main roster, and forget that it's not like they can really book the men either. It's like when the Cruiserweights were dying a death on Raw, they replaced the Titus vs Darren feud.

 

[Unbesiegbar]

I like how NXT has 5 Championships on a 1 hour show and manages to book them well

 

[SWL]

The only 2 women that are worth keeping track of right now are Becky and Ronda. The E probably wants people to throw Charlotte in this conversation as well but I still don't know what the reason for her involvement really is. Obviously that's none of the wrestlers fault though, given that women like Sasha Banks, Asuka, Ember Moon or even Ruby Riott could be amazing assets to a great womens division. It's the fact that there is no real motivation or goal here. Why should I care about Sasha and Bayley when they're not even close to a title shot? Why should I care about Asuka when you literally just built her up to lose to Charlotte and then dropped her like she never even belonged in a title match in the first place? Why should I care about Ember or Ruby when none of them did anything of significance ever since joining the main roster?

Then you add the rest of the women who think they can wrestle like the big boys because the company empowers them to think that, like Dana Brooke, The Bellas, Lana, Nia Jax, Naomi etc. and it all just adds up to a pretty shallow roster, because nobody's hungry enough to improve or break out given that the company keeps telling them that they're already good enough.

So in my opinion, it's a combination of talented women not having enough to work with and ok-ish wrestlers that are hard to get excited for, even if they're in a big match. It all relates to WWE's mindset of quantity over quality, because if it was the other way around we'd have 1 great womens segment a week instead of 3 whatever segments.. for now at least. In the future, when the roster is deeper and interesting enough, I wouldn't mind more women segments because then there'd be a reason for them, but that has to come organically and not how they're doing it now

I like how NXT has 5 Championships on a 1 hour show and manages to book them well

they tape their shows so that they can focus on 2 titles per episode as far as I remember. So, for example, they'll have the North American + womens title storylines progress in 1 week's episode, and the NXT + tag title storylines the week after that. From time to time the UK title gets added as well, but it's now being featured more prominently on the NXT UK tapings, which is much needed because Pete's been holding this thing forever now.

 

[Unbesiegbar]

The only 2 women that are worth keeping track of right now are Becky and Ronda. The E probably wants people to throw Charlotte in this conversation as well but I still don't know what the reason for her involvement really is. Obviously that's none of the wrestlers fault though, given that women like Sasha Banks, Asuka, Ember Moon or even Ruby Riott could be amazing assets to a great womens division. It's the fact that there is no real motivation or goal here. Why should I care about Sasha and Bayley when they're not even close to a title shot? Why should I care about Asuka when you literally just built her up to lose to Charlotte and then dropped her like she never even belonged in a title match in the first place? Why should I care about Ember or Ruby when none of them did anything of significance ever since joining the main roster?

Then you add the rest of the women who think they can wrestle like the big boys because the company empowers them to think that, like Dana Brooke, The Bellas, Lana, Nia Jax, Naomi etc. and it all just adds up to a pretty shallow roster, because nobody's hungry enough to improve or break out given that the company keeps telling them that they're already good enough.

So in my opinion, it's a combination of talented women not having enough to work with and ok-ish wrestlers that are hard to get excited for, even if they're in a big match. It all relates to WWE's mindset of quantity over quality, because if it was the other way around we'd have 1 great womens segment a week instead of 3 whatever segments.. for now at least. In the future, when the roster is deeper and interesting enough, I wouldn't mind more women segments because then there'd be a reason for them, but that has to come organically and not how they're doing it now


they tape their shows so that they can focus on 2 titles per episode as far as I remember. So, for example, they'll have the North American + womens title storylines progress in 1 week's episode, and the NXT + tag title storylines the week after that. From time to time the UK title gets added as well, but it's now being featured more prominently on the NXT UK tapings, which is much needed because Pete's been holding this thing forever now.

On one hand Pete is super over but imo he should get rid of it and fight for another belt. I'm just saying sometimes even the World Championships in WWE feel like they don't matter. The WWE Women's Championship(minus Carmella love the dance break though) and Intercontinental Championship have had the best booking

 

[SWL]

love the dance break though

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On one hand Pete is super over but imo he should get rid of it and fight for another belt.

Pete's the face of the new UK program though, so I would definitely recommend keeping him there until the rest of the roster can stand on its own. I'm pretty sure there are people who only watch NXT UK because of Pete Dunne

 

[Unbesiegbar]

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Lana is not the best and she's not number one she's an OBT florida hooker riding of Rusev Day

Pete's the face of the new UK program though, so I would definitely recommend keeping him there until the rest of the roster can stand on its own. I'm pretty sure there are people who only watch NXT UK because of Pete Dunne

Yeah which is sad considering how talented Mandrews is

 

[Snowman1]

Yeah which is sad considering how talented Mandrews is

Exactly. Turn on the show for Pete, stay for everyone else.

 

[Redboy123@]

Smackdowns woman division storyline with Becky, Charlotte and Asuka has been good.

I say Ronda, Nia (not gonna last as she is shit), Becky, Charlotte and maybe Asuka are being pushed and getting a big reaction. And it's all because of Becky.

 

[Unbesiegbar]

Exactly. Turn on the show for Pete, stay for everyone else.

Nah, I'm ok watching Raw and Smackdown with the occasional NXT. I remember Mandrews from TNA and UK Tournament

 

[Jacob Fox]

I am more concerned about how the women wrestle when they get to the main roster. We see them on NXT, putting together some pretty amazing matches sometimes. I mean, in one year in NXT Bayley and Sasha Banks had a series of amazing matches and nothing they have done on the main roster has even began to approach it. I almost wonder if they go up to the wrestlers when they are promoted and tell them "Don't wrestle as good as you do there."

 

[Redboy123@]

In NXT they prepare soooo much for takeover matches. So of course the quality of wrestling will dip

 

[The Sheik]

My issue is with the booking and how they promote the women... I really don't give a shit if this is a first time ever match, or a first ever PPV, or a first ever contract signing... Focus on building compelling stories and less about "making history"... Stop telling us you've treated the women like shit for 15 years and they haven't done fuck all... The storytelling is very boring in WWE right now.. but it's always been boring in the women's division.

 

[Jacob Fox]

In NXT they prepare soooo much for takeover matches. So of course the quality of wrestling will dip

I can't really agree with that line of thinking. First off, there's no objective evidence to support it. Second, it fails logically because it's not just the Takeovers, it is also the weekly show. House shows are used by the main roster to practice and prepare for PPV matches and there are a LOT more house shows on the main roster than there are in NXT. So yeah, I'm going to have to reject that reasoning.

What I honestly believe is that WWE has this feeling that NXT truly is the minor league and that anyone from another promotion signed to NXT is inferior to anyone on the main roster. I believe they support this assumption by taking completely dominant guys and gals in NXT and walk all over them on the main roster.

The unequivocal most successful wrestler on the main roster now that was completely established by other promotions is AJ Styles. AJ didn't have to go through NXT. So of course we can't make the comparison, but it speaks to WWE's confidence in his ability and work ethic to not put him through the rigors that everyone else goes through.

But yeah, I really see no evidence to support the fact that Takeover matches get more preparation than any other main matches .

 

[SWL]

I can't really agree with that line of thinking. First off, there's no objective evidence to support it. Second, it fails logically because it's not just the Takeovers, it is also the weekly show. House shows are used by the main roster to practice and prepare for PPV matches and there are a LOT more house shows on the main roster than there are in NXT. So yeah, I'm going to have to reject that reasoning.

But yeah, I really see no evidence to support the fact that Takeover matches get more preparation than any other main matches .

I guess you could make an argument for wrestlers in NXT having more time to prepare for certain matches, given that they only have around 1 taping every month and don't have nearly as many house shows or tours as on the main roster.
I also think that, because NXT is still developmental and all, wrestlers probably get a lot more help and advice for their matches from certain producers/trainers while being at the PC or Full Sail, whereas on the main roster, if you're not Ronda or someone else they see a lot of value in, you're more on your own while shredding through this ridiculous schedule from week to week

What I honestly believe is that WWE has this feeling that NXT truly is the minor league and that anyone from another promotion signed to NXT is inferior to anyone on the main roster. I believe they support this assumption by taking completely dominant guys and gals in NXT and walk all over them on the main roster.

I believe that as well. I'm sure that has to do with their old school mentality of people having to pay their dues before getting anywhere, which doesn't really work like it used to because of NXT's popularity.
Back when NXT wasn't a thing, a wrestler's debut on the main roster was his literal debut and people in the audience didn't know much about him nor did they expect much. Nowadays there's already a certain hype that follows a main roster call up and the company doesn't know how to capitalize off of it most of the time