Two major feuds booked for Lesnar in 2013

[Dolph'sZiggler]

I would end my time as a part time viewer of WWE if they put Orton over Brock.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Resigning Lesnar is far from a waste of money imo. He's a huge draw and his segments equal guaranteed entertainment for us. I can look past the size problems that so many people seem to have a problem with (with Punk), if I can watch a masked midget Mexican become the world heavyweight champion then I'm sure I can watch CM Punk vs Brock Lesnar. It's not like professional wrestling tries hard to be realistic really.

1.) Mysterio as a HW champion is dispicable and the people who booked him to become champ should be buried up to their necks in dog shit and stoned to death

2.) Wrestling should aim to be more realistic. I think we can all agree we prefer realism in wrestling compared to cheesy over the top BS. It's the reason wrestling was awesome in the 90s (all three major companies) and it's the reason TNA is so far superior to WWE over the last 1-2 years.

 

[Lockard 23]

I personally think WWE owns TNA big time at the moment.

 

[GeeTeaIye]

Brock vs Kane

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[Crayo]

1.) Mysterio as a HW champion is dispicable and the people who booked him to become champ should be buried up to their necks in dog shit and stoned to death

2.) Wrestling should aim to be more realistic. I think we can all agree we prefer realism in wrestling compared to cheesy over the top BS. It's the reason wrestling was awesome in the 90s (all three major companies) and it's the reason TNA is so far superior to WWE over the last 1-2 years.

There are numerous other things in wrestling that completely shits on realism. Like these super secret genius heels revealing their plans to a camera man that's following them, we aren't meant to question that and we don't. The amount of loop holes is endless. Whilst I agree that the product should be more realistic, I don't think they should start by eliminating "unrealistic match ups" like Lesnar & Punk.

I personally think WWE owns TNA big time at the moment.

I think both of them are shitty at the moment to be honest. RAW being three hours might make it the worse of two evils.

 

[Lockard 23]

Brock vs Kane

/thread

He's become too much of a joke for me or most anyone else to care about this feud at all. If it was Kane from the late 90s'/early 00's, it'd be different.

There are numerous other things in wrestling that completely shits on realism. Like these super secret genius heels revealing their plans to a camera man that's following them, we aren't meant to question that and we don't. The amount of loop holes is endless. Whilst I agree that the product should be more realistic, I don't think they should start by eliminating "unrealistic match ups" like Lesnar & Punk.

Like Triple H telling Ric Flair on camera in 2005 that he hired someone to try and run down Batista with a makeshift of JBL's limo as a way of trying to lure Batista over to Smackdown to fight JBL at WM21 instead of him.

I'm all for things being as realistic as possible but they can only go so far since wrestling requires a huge suspension of disbelief as it is. Other things include someone's entrance music playing when they make a surprise appearance or their music playing when they suddenly run out to save someone from an attack, the vast majority of finishing moves usually being weaker than a suplex, someone never having a bruise on their face despite being punched several times a match (Bret Hart laughed about that one on the documentary Wrestling With Shadows), etc.

I think both of them are shitty at the moment to be honest. RAW being three hours might make it the worse of two evils.

The main storylines of both shows (Rock/Punk - Aces And Eights) puts Raw far above Impact for me. Plus, I'm not actually bored when watching Raw per se. I watched Impact a couple of weeks ago and found virtually nothing interesting that I liked.

 

[Crayo]

The main storylines of both shows (Rock/Punk - Aces And Eights) puts Raw far above Impact for me.

Yeah I agree there actually. Just two hours of mediocrity is better than three for me at the moment, but hey, it'll improve (both shows will).

 

[Swift]

Let's not forget about a walking dead man who magically comes back around Mania.

 

[Mustafar Reginald]

I'm a fan of both of these match ups, and they are much more appealing to me than the match we seem to be getting at this Mania (Brock/HHH) or the match everyone on the IWC seems to be clamoring for (Brock/Taker). Orton would be interesting story-wise if his character could return to the ways of old (and this does not require a heel turn) could be very awesome. Match-wise, he'd have to stay face as heel him, at least during his last heel run, slowed down his offense way too much for me to find him enjoyable.

Also, I find it hilarious that people are legitimately calling Punk/Brock an "unrealistic" match up. I mean, smaller guys can be bigger guys in real fights as there are more strategic ways to fight and entire classes dedicated to teaching people to defend against those physical stronger than you. For example, Jericho beat Goldberg once but I understand that's not a perfect example but it doesn't need to be as that, or what I said in the previous post, isn't my point. I just felt like throwing that out there.

It seems that people who are calling this unrealistic, are under the impression that it will be presented as they are on equal footing but to assume that would be ignoring how Lesnar's been booked up until this point. Build-wise, Lesnar would mostly likely dominate Punk any time anything physical happened. The match itself, would probably play out akin to the series of matches Punk had with Mark Henry over the WWE Championship. Which, if I recall correctly focused on Henry dominated the bulk of the match, with Punk getting offense in at sporadic moments, and normally big high-flying moves or a hard place strike or something like that. I don't recall exactly, should re-watch I liked those matches, but it was presented in the most realistic fashions possible. Hell, I believe Punk only won one of those matches from pinfall/submission, and did so only because weapons were allowed. I see the Brock matches going like that (though hopefully with a different result, Punk shouldn't win this match in my opinion) but if they do it like that, and their's nothing pointing that they wouldn't, I don't see how it's unrealistic. At most, you'll have to use suspension of disbelief a little bit on how durable Punk is to Lesnar's offense, but that's nothing new to wrestling.

Maybe it was called unrealistic for a completely different reason but I can't honestly think of one. It can't be from why the match would happen since it'd make complete sense due to the Heyman connection and probably the easier of the two presented matches to build.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

There are numerous other things in wrestling that completely shits on realism. Like these super secret genius heels revealing their plans to a camera man that's following them, we aren't meant to question that and we don't. The amount of loop holes is endless. Whilst I agree that the product should be more realistic, I don't think they should start by eliminating "unrealistic match ups" like Lesnar & Punk.

Well for starters, no shit Sherlock. I'm not talking about portraying wrestling as real, I just mean involving more realistic storylines and less fairytale cartoony 1980s style crap. CM Punk threatening to hurt or beat up the Rock is like me threatening to beat up a silverback gorilla. People would just look at me and assume I'm Blue, which is the same thing I do (any many others do) when Punk talks about how badass he is. He should stick to talking about being a great wrestler, because clearly there is a difference.

The camera point is beside the point. Obviously you are suspending disbelief in terms of the cameras.

And I think we had both agreed at one point that Lesnar was a different beast. Not anyone can work with him. We agreed Cena and HHH were the two main candidates, then you had Taker, and we said DB, but of course his current WWE character is a joke so that won't fly. Nobody else belongs in there with Brock because he has been built as an unstoppable machine from the UFC and Punk just isn't... the type to stop an unstoppable machine. Can you imagine Brock selling Punk's weak ass moves? Punk trying to GTS his big ass, or even worse making him tap with that corny submission? puke

I have no problem ordinarily with undersized underdog A fighting monster heel B, but Brock is a different machine at this point

 

[Crayo]

Well for starters, no shit Sherlock. I'm not talking about portraying wrestling as real, I just mean involving more realistic storylines and less fairytale cartoony 1980s style crap. CM Punk threatening to hurt or beat up the Rock is like me threatening to beat up a silverback gorilla. People would just look at me and assume I'm Blue, which is the same thing I do (any many others do) when Punk talks about how badass he is. He should stick to talking about being a great wrestler, because clearly there is a difference.

The camera point is beside the point. Obviously you are suspending disbelief in terms of the cameras.

And I think we had both agreed at one point that Lesnar was a different beast. Not anyone can work with him. We agreed Cena and HHH were the two main candidates, then you had Taker, and we said DB, but of course his current WWE character is a joke so that won't fly. Nobody else belongs in there with Brock because he has been built as an unstoppable machine from the UFC and Punk just isn't... the type to stop an unstoppable machine. Can you imagine Brock selling Punk's weak ass moves? Punk trying to GTS his big ass, or even worse making him tap with that corny submission? puke

I have no problem ordinarily with undersized underdog A fighting monster heel B, but Brock is a different machine at this point

Yeah I know what you're talking about, I'm not stupid. I agree with it too, wrestling does need to go into the direction of realism, TNA were doing that well for a while. I also agree that Punk isn't the best option for Brock, I think Cena, Daniel Bryan, Ryback (yeah you'll puke), heel Mark Henry (poor match quality but yeah), badass Daniel Bryan and Undertaker were the guys I'd pitch for the match ahead of Punk. However, if it is Punk, it wouldn't ruin the feud for me.

If Punk mad Brock tap or hit him with the GTS, I wouldn't be mad or anything in the slightest.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Just you typing out the words Punk, Brock and 'tap' in the same sentence makes me want to invent a time machine and go back to when CM Punk's mom was pregnant and slap the shit out of her for smoking crack. no no no no no.

The only reason a Brock/Punk match wouldn't 100% piss me off *only like 99* is because Punk would have to get his ass kicked by Brock to earn his win. I'd love to see Brock taking some extra liberties and elbowing the fuck out of that little bitch like he did Cena. Or some of those fierce knees to the body.

 

[Crayo]

Just you typing out the words Punk, Brock and 'tap' in the same sentence makes me want to invent a time machine and go back to when CM Punk's mom was pregnant and slap the shit out of her for smoking crack. no no no no no.

The only reason a Brock/Punk match wouldn't 100% piss me off *only like 99* is because Punk would have to get his ass kicked by Brock to earn his win. I'd love to see Brock taking some extra liberties and elbowing the f*ck out of that little bitch like he did Cena. Or some of those fierce knees to the body.

Ladies and gentlemen, Punk's biggest fan.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

You deserve negative rep for that.

 

[Lockard 23]

The best way I can imagine a Bryan/Brock match going is Bryan trying to hang with Brock for as long as possible (which probably wouldn't be for very long...) before inevitably losing. And that's only if he has a serious character, not the comedic "goat face" comedy character he has who chants Yes all the time. Even then, he certainly is nowhere near the top of the list of people I'd be fine defeating Brock, or even facing Brock. Neither would Punk for that matter, but he'd be a lot more believable option for me than Bryan would be.