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[SAL]

i know a ring is a ring

Well, you stole my rebuttal.

I noted the same problems with my answer that you did, simply enough, that no one solution will perfectly solve a problem. But giving a highly respected creative mind a significant role in the creative staff would undoubtedly have a positive effect on the product. I could argue if I wanted that TNA's ratings reached their highest point when they got rid of the 6-sided ring! Of course, that had to do with other factors, but it underscores the point that the 6-sided ring is a minor detail. And furthermore, it was silly for any fan to get upset about the switch back to the 4-sided ring. Can you (or anyone) name me like, one move, that you couldn't hit anymore because the ring was changed back?

 

[PHX]

I'm usually not big on making specific changes. It's really hard to say something like "Man, if WWE just had ______, they'd make even more billions of dollars. If TNA had _______, they might have a coherent show." Furthermore, I don't see how adding any one wrestler or any one gimmick to a company can make that big of a difference. The one part of the question that really struck me was about bringing back a writer. Ah, yes. One person that can have an influence on many, who can shape the direction of an entire show. (+2)

I would bring Paul Heyman back and give him the keys to Smackdown.

I'll keep this short for now. Paul Heyman is widely considered one of the greatest creative minds in the history of wrestling. He spawned the ECW hardcore revolution which led to WWE's "attitude era" which kept them afloat. But let's go beyond the fact that he was behind hardcore, because that obviously wouldn't fly in today's WWE. What Paul Heyman specialized in was creating characters that people cared about, and giving wrestlers the chance to make themselves look good. We all wrote plenty of words about what could be done to improve Smackdown. I really think the pieces are there, and the show just needs some creative direction to maximize the star-making potential of many of those pieces. What would help accomplish that? Interesting storylines and gimmicks. Heyman helped write for Smackdown in 2002, with a lot of great in-ring talent he helped push up where they belonged. I'm talking about Edge, Mysterio, and Benoit specifically. He helped plant the seeds to get them to the next level with the fans. I see a similar situation here. Heyman should be brought in and given enough control to send Smackdown in a new direction. (+2)

I'm going to mirror what Rondo said in that Heyman would be a good addition to the WWE staff. I don't know if he could be a on air talent because of him being a Lesnar's agent, but him as a writer would be great. He's got a proven track track record of success at the writing level and as long as you keep him away from the business aspect of the WWE then you'd be a-ok. And since Vince is the greatest business mind in wrestling history that's no problem.

If you can get him on the air on Smackdown or Raw you could do improve a guys stock by having him manage them.

Another guy I would love to see back in a WWE ring is Eric Bischoff. The mystery gm thing ran it's course in September and it hasn't evolved past Michael Cole announcing the gm's statements. If it was leading to some sort of storyline i'd think they would have finished it by now.

He was a great gm during his stint in the WWE, I feel like Raw or Smackdown could use him to spice things up again. Raw doesn't really have a gm and i'm tired of Teddy Long, while Vickie is great at getting heat, she's been Ziggler's manager for the last few months. He'd be a improvement over both of the current GMs (+1)

Heyman and Bischoff are great choices if you just want to zoom in on bringing one person. They have both done great things during respective times. My only problem with focusing on one person is while their ideas may appear great on paper, it actually has to pass through a lot of people, who might end up knit picking over it, thus having a great idea, turn into a watered down idea and by the time it comes across to people on - screen, it's utter and pure crap. (+1)
　
With that being said it's not to say Heyman or Bischoff are crap, just when you put the whole thing in one person's hands, their vision might not come across, because of others wanting to tweak their ideas. (+1)
　
anyway this is something so small but i would bring the six sided ring back to tna.

i know a ring is a ring, but the six sided ring, and the athletes ability to actually make complete use of the ring was one of the best things about tna to me. don't get me wrong they can work a four sided ring just as well, but did they honestly have to change it when what they had was working for them. (+1)

Well, you stole my rebuttal.

I noted the same problems with my answer that you did, simply enough, that no one solution will perfectly solve a problem. But giving a highly respected creative mind a significant role in the creative staff would undoubtedly have a positive effect on the product. (+1) I could argue if I wanted that TNA's ratings reached their highest point when they got rid of the 6-sided ring! Of course, that had to do with other factors, but it underscores the point that the 6-sided ring is a minor detail. And furthermore, it was silly for any fan to get upset about the switch back to the 4-sided ring. Can you (or anyone) name me like, one move, that you couldn't hit anymore because the ring was changed back? (+2)

1. RONDO: 20
2. Kairi: 9
3. Reid: 9
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Okay we have a tie so this will be one question and one answer from each of you Kairi and Reid and whoever has the better post will move on to the final showdown against RONDO.

Bonus Question:
Awesome Kong is on her way to WWE apparently and with someone like her you have to have her come in with a impact as she is gonna stand out. So how would you have Kong make her debut? By that I mean that night and you can pick whatever show and if you happen to make her set up a feud that way then so be it.
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[Kairi]

At the moment I don't know if there is any specific way to debut Kong. With her history coming out of TNA, I can not specifically say I would do this or that. It seems the first answer to scream out would be to quickly set her up that involves something with Beth, but even then that would need build up.

So the only way I can possibly think of that I would bring her in at the moment is a "bodyguard" to protect laycool. I know that this would make her a bit of a heel, but other than possibly coming in and doing something with gail, who isn't really doing much herself, the bodyguard route works.

If they continue to push the fued between Laycool and Beth, as they are the ones who injured her, laycool could be a way for her to come in and use her to fued with Beth. However there is also the possibility that since Beth is on sd, beth could bring kong in with her, as a tag team partner to offset laycool.

Me personally I would go the bodyguard route simply because it would freshen up the fued and people might actually care about seeing Beth vs Kong, with Laycool just being mouth pieces, and not having to sit through Laycool's domination of all other female athletes for now again.

 

[PHX]

Have to keep this going so Kairi you advance to the finals against Sal. Whoever wins the best 2 out of 3 in these subjects will win.

Topic #4:
We just saw HBK get announced as one of the people who will be inducted into the WWE Hall Of Fame. Question to you guys is who would you induct into the hof next if it was up to you and explain why.

 

[Kairi]

I just want to say i feel it's too early to be inducting hbk. I always seen him going in but not this soon. However with that said my inductee is probably too early too.


Trish Stratus


I thought about this and I do not think she is in the hall of fame yet. My reasons picking her are simple. First reason is simply because she currently is the only woman to hold the most WWE women's championship with seven, that for one person regardless of gender is a lot.


My second reason is because Trish as a character went from a girl who was involved with a lot of sexual type storylines to becoming one of the best WWE women wrestlers in history. I think she very well showed that if you want to improve, and put in the time and dedication, the sky is the limit as far as your career goes.
And that's all.

 

[SAL]

Trish is a good choice. I'm just going to make my own argument instead of rebutting yours.

And the choice is simple. Look at the guys who are in the Hall of Fame. Hogan's in, Koko B. Ware is in, Sgt. Slaughter is in, Ted Dibiase, Ricky Steamboat, Roddy Piper, etc. My early childhood is represented really well. But we're missing somebody, and it needs to be corrected immediately.

Macho Man Randy Savage.

Seriously, if Hogan wasn't Hogan, Savage would have been Hogan. And if Hogan didn't learn how to manipulate things behind the scenes, Savage might have blown past him anyway. He was a true superstar, excellent in every aspect of the game.

Promos? Though sometimes a little incoherent, he had an unmatchable presence and a great, nearly inimitable delivery. Big moments? Well, every time he hit the elbow felt like a big moment, but he main-evented WMs as a face and a heel. His biggest moment was probably when the Megapowers collided at WM 5. Unlike his opponent in that match, he never had a problem putting anybody over on the biggest stages. Technical wrestling? Can I just top at Savage/Steamboat WM 3, or do I need to elaborate?

Savage could do lots of things that even Hogan couldn't. He set the bar for what a "superstar" is supposed to be today, even moreso than Hulk Hogan. He had the lavish entrance, the great promos, the great ring work. In my opinion, he's one of the best ever.

 

[PHX]

While I think Savage should headline a HOF class of his own I like the reasons you gave better so RONDO will take that round.

Topic #5
Sticking to the HOF subject which current WWE Hall Of Famer shouldn't be in there and why?

 

[SAL]

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/halloffame/

There's a list of all the current HOFers.

There are a couple different classes of HOFers in the WWE. You have guys like Pete Rose, Refrigerator Perry, and Bob Uecker, for example, who didn't have much to do with the product at all but got in just because they're famous. It's too easy to argue against them, so I'll argue against an actual wrestling personality.

I started making an argument against Eddie Guerrero, but I can't do it.

So I'll say Mr. Perfect. I think his death catapulted him into the HOF a little before he deserved it. He did have an awesome gimmick, and he was a great wrestler, ruling the midcard for a few years. But that's just it. Injuries really dragged his career down quickly. He had a few great years with a smaller organization, the AWA, but so did 1000 other guys. He came to WWE in 1988 and wrestled for a few years before injuries got to him. He spent the latter half of his WWE career as a color commentator and a manager to Ric Flair, where he hung around in the background and didn't get to do much. His WCW career was quite unmemorable, as I had to go to wikipedia to get anything about it.

Perfect was a really talented guy who never got the chance he probably deserved to shine. Maybe he belongs in the HOF, but I think he leapfrogged a lot of more deserving guys.

 

[Kairi]

ty 4 the list rondo i luvs you!

erm...

I'm going to argue flair. Only reason is because I feel when flair was at his greatest was during his wcw days and not the days he was in WWE. Whenever I look at a hall of fame it's the best of that company and not that flair was not good in WWE but everything he is about and best known for imo happened while he was in WCW.

However he's there now and will forever be, even if he is senile to me now.

 

[PHX]

Had you mentioned NWA during your argument you probably could have taken this but gonna give the round and game to RONDO. Like the fact that both of you took risk though with your cases and not go with the obvious. But yeah congrats RONDO and you may now take your face time to talk about whatever you want.

 

[SAL]

I'd like to talk about CM Punk. He is better than your favorite wrestler. That is all.

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