Triple S: The Miz

[SpectreVLV]

I was thinking of a title for this, and I thought of the name Triple S. This stands for Superstar Spotlight.

I might start posting a few threads similar to this one, as I really want to see what you think about some of the new superstars in WWE. The first thread is about The Miz.

You can answer the questions below or post your own review, or do both. Here are some of the questions:
1. Do you like The Miz as an entertainer (mic, promo)?
2. Do you like The Miz as a performer (in-ring, wrestling)?
3. Can you take The Miz seriously?
4. Can you consider The Miz a mainevent worthy superstar?
5. Can The Miz connect with the fans?

If you want, you can rate The Miz (out of 5/10/100) on his: mic-skill, wrestling skills, connection with fans, etc (something you might add).

I'm really interested in what you have to say about The Miz, so if you can please post a review. It can be short or long; any will be accepted (as long as relevant).

I'll post my personal review a little later.

Also, you can post any suggestions about these types of threads, and I'll be happy to consider them. Maybe something similar was done before, but a lot has changed since that time, and many superstars are now more developed.

 

[Keith]

On the mic 8/10
As a wrestler 5.5/10
Can I take him serously 6/10
Main Event worthy 6/10
Can he connect with the fans 7/10

So to sum up while there is still a lot of problems, and much improvement for The Miz to make, he has come a long way from what he was, and is still young enough to make the step up to the next level. The thing is even if he wasn't a sucess in his first title run [and I lay most of the blame for that on the booking team], he has still become a very good heel, who given the chance can draw great heat.

 

[Lewb]

1. Do you like The Miz as an entertainer (mic, promo)? 9
2. Do you like The Miz as a performer (in-ring, wrestling)? 7
3. Can you take The Miz seriously? 7
4. Can you consider The Miz a mainevent worthy superstar? 7
5. Can The Miz connect with the fans? 8

I'm a very high believer in the Miz. He is like a breath of fresh air in wrestling for me. I believe part of the push was helped by the fact they were bringing back Tough Enough and thats how he broke through to the WWE, but his mic skills are impeccable, and he does connect to the crowd, he has immense heat. His moves are limited, and id liketo see him pick up more clean victories.

 

[Keith]

He is improving in the ring though, some of the sticks he has gotten for his wrestling has been way over top, his matches with DB and John Morrison were excellent.

 

[SpectreVLV]

1. Do you like The Miz as an entertainer (mic, promo)? 7
2. Do you like The Miz as a performer (in-ring, wrestling)? 6
3. Can you take The Miz seriously? 5
4. Can you consider The Miz a mainevent worthy superstar? 5
5. Can The Miz connect with the fans? 8

For some reason, I just can't take Miz seriously. Maybe because he just looks too young or because of the way WWE builds him. There's no denial that he appears very cowardly sometimes (an example is WWE Over the Limit). He connects with the fans pretty well, but he doesn't connect with me. His mic skill is great, but I just can't dig his promo's sometimes. He appears as a total douche sometimes (not in a good, heel way); now back that up with his often coward actions, and I see a joke.

Before he got the push, Miz was a huge jobber, which is not a surprise from WWE. The Miz, I remember, was eliminated from one of the Royal Rumbles in less than 5 seconds I believe. Such booking maybe killed it for me as well.

Miz got the biggest buildup from WWE one can get, yet I respect ADR, Cody Rhodes, and Dolph Ziggler (except his name) much more (they also had major buildups, but The Miz' build exceeds all).

Who knows, maybe overtime I'll begin respecting him just by seeing him in the ring every week. I know that respect in WWE comes overtime in many cases. For now, I don't see The Miz as the mainevent star.

 

[Prodigy]

To those saying he had a bad title reign. 100+ days for your first reign is not bad.

 

[SpectreVLV]

100+ days of title reign really don't count if the champion is built cowardly. WWE tried to turn Miz into a credible champion during the last 4 weeks before Wrestlemania 27. Before that, A-Ri was the reason Miz did not lose the title.

 

[Tapout]

1. Do you like The Miz as an entertainer (mic, promo)?

Uh...YEAH! Miz always gets me on the Mic, and some of his promos are best next to Punks. Very good mic skills, and very good at what he tries to accomplish.

2. Do you like The Miz as a performer (in-ring, wrestling)?

I do. I don't know why people don't really see him as a good in ring performer. There is nothing wrong with him in my opinon. Maybe because he tells a story while hes in there, which not many people are used to any more because not much performers can do it.

3. Can you take The Miz seriously?

HELL YEAH. Again, don't see why people don't. I mean, this dude had the longest WWE title reign in quiet some time. He OWNED Cena on more then one occasion, and really was never booked to be a weak champion. Everyone has to lose, and he didn't really lose his title in a weak way either.

4. Can you consider The Miz a mainevent worthy superstar?

More then most people currently considered main eventers, or main event worthy.

5. Can The Miz connect with the fans?

Yes. He gets them right where he wants them. Most people today will like the heels, but Miz does a good job at not making you like him. He does his job, is all I can say.

All in all, in current WWE, Miz is easily a 9/10

And I just want to reply to this.

100+ days of title reign really don't count if the champion is built cowardly. WWE tried to turn Miz into a credible champion during the last 4 weeks before Wrestlemania 27. Before that, A-Ri was the reason Miz did not lose the title.

So....Triple H was a weak World Champion. I mean, he won almost all his matches because of Evolution. Orton was a weak Champion because he used Legacy. Edge was weak because he used The Edge Heads, Vickie Guerrero, and even Lita. It's not called being a weak champion. It's called being a heel. Learn the difference.

 

[SpectreVLV]

All of the superstars you mentioned were already established as the mainevent worthy, credible champions before. Orton was a maineventer before Legacy; Triple H was a maineventer before Evolution. Edge was established before The Edge Heads as well.

There's also a difference between being a legit threat heel and a coward heel. ADR is more of a threat heel; yes, he uses Ricardo Rodriguez and Brodus Clay from time to time, but most of his work is done alone. The Miz was a coward up until 4 weeks before Mania. Hell, I thought, that was over, but it wasn't; Miz was once again turned into a coward at WWE Over the Limit, when he used A-Ri to beat Cena for 25 minutes, and then yelled "I Quit" in a matter of 10-15 seconds when Cena got momentum. This little cowardly cracker has been the world champ for 160+ days? Come on, WWE should either drop his push or make him look like a legit heel, not a pussy.

 

[Tapout]

All of the superstars you mentioned were already established as the mainevent worthy, credible champions before. Orton was a maineventer before Legacy; Triple H was a maineventer before Evolution. Edge was established before The Edge Heads as well.

There's also a difference between being a legit threat heel and a coward heel. ADR is more of a threat heel; yes, he uses Ricardo Rodriguez and Brodus Clay from time to time, but most of his work is done alone. The Miz was a coward up until 4 weeks before Mania. Hell, I thought, that was over, but it wasn't; Miz was once again turned into a coward at WWE Over the Limit, when he used A-Ri to beat Cena for 25 minutes, and then yelled "I Quit" in a matter of 10-15 seconds when Cena got momentum. This little cowardly cracker has been the world champ for 160+ days? Come on, WWE should either drop his push or make him look like a legit heel, not a pussy.

Edge was not establish really at all when he became world Champion. Sure he had a Midcard title reign, and a feud with Ric Flair, but he kinda just went straight to the top, and what did he use? Lita. Heels are supposed to be little cheating, cowardly guys. Thats why you hate them. They're not supposed to be the bad ass kick anyones ass type of guy. Only a few can pull that off good.

Fact of the matter is, Miz was booked to perfection as a heel. His first title reign was better then most peoples 5th.

And don't even bring up Del Rio. He is a coward too by your books. He attacks from behind. He uses his two lackeys. He runs people over. He's no different then Miz. Wait, yes he is. Miz is better.

 

[SpectreVLV]

Edge at least established himself as a credible superstar when he faced Undertaker at Wrestlemania 24 in 2008. From the point on there was no question that he was one of the main guys.

One of the ESPN's wrestling podcasts I heard someone say that current WWE PPVs don't sell out because the heels are built to be cowards. There is no force v force type of clash anymore, like there was back in the day. Now it's the face force of justice versus a cowardly prick with trickster ways to pick up a win. That's exactly what is going on at this point. There are no clashes of forces anymore. The last match, in my eyes, that had a similar scheme was the Randy Orton vs Christian match at OTL, in which the Super-Orton met the Cinderella Man; there, both stars were face.

Sheamus is seemingly credible, but WWE also broke him down many times by making him look like a pussy jackass.

Now here's another thing: for some reason, Wade Barret uses the Corre to his advantage all the time, but he is a credible superstar in my eyes. Maybe it's because of his past leadership of the Nexus. There was something that WWE did that made me believe in Barret. I don't believe in Miz.

 

[Deezy]

I agree with Tapout here, cowardly heels have been a staple since Gorgeous George. It works. It's been proven to work by pretty much every mainevent heel since.

Even the cool heels of the Attitude Era were employiong cowardly tactics to gain heat. Monsters don't make more money, Classic example, Flair vs Big Van Vader.

Flair was a chickenshit champion since his second title reign, Vader was an ass kicking monster who didn't take shit from anybody and crushed everyone in his path.

Who made the NWA/WCW more money? Ric Fucking Flair!

Lets take an example for today, let's say, Miz vs Sheamus.

His reign vs Miz's. Who was the better champion? Miz.

 

[Aniking]

Do you like The Miz as an entertainer (mic, promo)?
Yes. The Miz is fantastic on the mic, always has been, but only now has it gotten him somewhere. He is very entertaining and it's great to see him being built as a top guy in the company.

Do you like The Miz as a performer (in-ring, wrestling)?
Yes. His in-ring ability is his weaker side compared to his mic work, but you can tell it has improved a lot recently. It's rare you see him slip up, so working with Cena and also Orton at one point has been beneficial for him.

Can you take The Miz seriously?
Not completely, but it's slowly getting there. I can't really take "losing" champions seriously, even though it makes their title reign more notorious. It's just when they escape a title defense by the skin of their teeth, it's hard to see them seriously.

Can you consider The Miz a mainevent worthy superstar?
I can, but I don't think he's fully there yet. He needs time to develop his name away from the WWE Championship and above the United States Championship, and hopefully that can be done well.

Can The Miz connect with the fans?
The fact that Alex Riley was cheered and had his name chanted when he was attacking The Miz means that The Miz is quite disliked, so he's definitely connecting with them in this case. Sometimes he doesn't get the reaction he should be receiving by now, but usually he'll say something to get the boos flowing.


Miz is the perfect example of where hard work can get you. Although it may take time, it pays off in the end.

 

[SpectreVLV]

Well, I guess there's a point here. Many of the heel champions do use dirty tactics. It looks like at the mainevent world championship scene they are more of tricksters, but WWE builds them to be credible outside of the championship scene. Examples at this point are Cody Rhodes, R-Truth, Dolph Ziggler, Mason Ryan, Ezekiel Jackson, Wade Barret (secondary title), Alex Riley (the new feud with the Miz).

I'm guessing Miz will become a little more dominant (clean victories) outside of the championship scene. I'd like to see that.

Respect takes time in the wrestling world. If the Miz continues to be a big player in the game, I guess my thoughts on him will eventually change.

 

[Keith]

I am on your side with this one spectreVLV, yes of course heels are expected to use underhanded tactics, and often be lucky instead of great, but my take on this is that mid-card heel, like the Honkey Tonk Man, who was really a comedy,character well this is different, because his gimmick was being a cheap version of Elvis, the King Of Rock'N'Roll, what better way to piss people off, and then you had him using the gutier to win matches, well that just seemed a given. However Ric Flair looked like a wrestler, he wrestled like a wrestler, he was in awesome shape, and his finsher was a submission hold. Yes Flair drawn heel heat, though having the Horseman back him up in matches, but the impression was that Flair was the best wrestler in the world and could out wrestle anyone. And going back to his Rumble win, yes he had a lot of luck, but the fact is he came in at number three and lasted over an hour, took one hell of a beating, kept on going and wrestled a SMART MATCH! And that is the difference right there, Flair was made to look like a highly intellgent Champion, and The Miz was made to look like a loser who got very lucky. When you are the top man in the company, the fans don't have to like you, but they damn sure need to respect you.