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When have I ever said it's stupid to not push RVD and Hardy?

You probably got confused with the order of words so I will re-phrase: When have I ever complained about RVD and Hardy not getting immediate pushes.
 

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You are right now. In this case, it's about RVD. You don't think he should be pushed because he hasn't been in TNA for more than a month. If you don't think that, then how does that make AJ look like shit since RVD beat him? Because he's new? Then you have a problem with him being pushed. See. We come full circle.
 

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When RVD and Jeff got signed I made it clear I didn't want them to shoot right into the main event scene. Too many rising talents like Wolfe, Pope, etc. that deserve to shine over guys we already know like Jeff and RVD. I would have been totally satisfied if RVD has nice non-title singles feud with someone...maybe Sting since he beat the shit out of him with a bat on his debut. So now what happens to Pope? How much deeper does Wolfe get buried down the ladder?
 

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The fact that TNA is giving away big matches isn't what bothers me. I don't care if they're bad at business, that's not my problem. What bothers me is when RVD vs Jeff Hardy and RVD vs AJ Styles are given away without any substantial build-up. I would be just as irked if RVD vs AJ Styles was booked the Impact before a PPV without build-up, and then put on PPV. It's not the fact that it's free that hurts the quality (though there's an argument for that too); rather it's the fact that there was no reason to substantially care about that match, especially considering what it could have been.

Compare the emotion felt when RVD won the WWE Championship, and now that he's won the TNA Championship. It's laughable when you look at the stark contrast.
 

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When RVD and Jeff got signed I made it clear I didn't want them to shoot right into the main event scene. Too many rising talents like Wolfe, Pope, etc. that deserve to shine over guys we already know like Jeff and RVD. I would have been totally satisfied if RVD has nice non-title singles feud with someone...maybe Sting since he beat the shit out of him with a bat on his debut. So now what happens to Pope? How much deeper does Wolfe get buried down the ladder?


Your main argument for giving away RVD vs Styles and RVD/Hardy was because of money. Those 2 are money players. RVD still has a big following. Jeff was arguably WWE's biggest draw in 09. They put 4 money attractors Monday. RVD vs Hardy, money. RVD vs Styles, money. RVD as champ, money. World title change on tv, money. What's the point in hiring big money guys if they aren't going to use them? So which is it? Should they care about money? Or should they push their money players to the side?


The fact that TNA is giving away big matches isn't what bothers me. I don't care if they're bad at business, that's not my problem. What bothers me is when RVD vs Jeff Hardy and RVD vs AJ Styles are given away without any substantial build-up. I would be just as irked if RVD vs AJ Styles was booked the Impact before a PPV without build-up, and then put on PPV. It's not the fact that it's free that hurts the quality (though there's an argument for that too); rather it's the fact that there was no reason to substantially care about that match, especially considering what it could have been.

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This is my main problem with it. Although I would have rather Dinero have won the title than RVD. It's all about the build-up. There was no build up to this at all. It's the reason why I hated Swagger winning the title, the reason I hated Sheamus winning the title. Where's the build up? You need to make people care about things like this. Build ups makes the lead in to matches better, the actual match better, the ending, the followup, the memories, build-up effects all of that.
 

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Your main argument for giving away RVD vs Styles and RVD/Hardy was because of money. Those 2 are money players. RVD still has a big following. Jeff was arguably WWE's biggest draw in 09. They put 4 money attractors Monday. RVD vs Hardy, money. RVD vs Styles, money. RVD as champ, money. World title change on tv, money. What's the point in hiring big money guys if they aren't going to use them? So which is it? Should they care about money? Or should they push their money players to the side?




This is my main problem with it. Although I would have rather Dinero have won the title than RVD. It's all about the build-up. There was no build up to this at all. It's the reason why I hated Swagger winning the title, the reason I hated Sheamus winning the title. Where's the build up? You need to make people care about things like this. Build ups makes the lead in to matches better, the actual match better, the ending, the followup, the memories, build-up effects all of that.

Think about how much money they could have made if they built up a feud leading to the PPV.

To be fair, there was some minor build up with Cena/Sheamus also, Swagger was a HEEL MITB winner. You shouldn't expect him to set up a match and build for it. Although, he could have held off until a later PPV to cash it in.
 

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Think about how much money they could have made if they built up a feud leading to the PPV.


This is my main problem with it. Although I would have rather Dinero have won the title than RVD. It's all about the build-up. There was no build up to this at all. It's the reason why I hated Swagger winning the title, the reason I hated Sheamus winning the title. Where's the build up? You need to make people care about things like this. Build ups makes the lead in to matches better, the actual match better, the ending, the followup, the memories, build-up effects all of that.

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To be fair, there was some minor build up with Cena/Sheamus also, Swagger was a HEEL MITB winner. You shouldn't expect him to set up a match and build for it. Although, he could have held off until a later PPV to cash it in.

I'm not talking about Sheamus winning the title. I'm talking about building him up to a main eventer. He beat up some nameless jobber, Jamie Noble, and King (what happened to that anyway?) To becoming World champ. They kept talking him up as being dominant but the only one he could beat clean was Bourne.

As for Swagger, the guy was a jobber after his "feud" with MVP. Teaming with Chavo, another jobber. He went through a program where he couldn't beat Santino. San-fucking-tino. Now he's World champ. With that logic, Santino should have challenged him after Swagger won the title since he beat him so many times so easily.
 

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The thing is, they basically had a 2 hour Pay Per View show with no build up at all. Who here would like to see a Pay Per View with no build it, who would waste there money on it? No one.

Samoa Joe returning, he had no build up after being away from the company so long, yes it worked well but it would have been better if it was done last night...
 

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Why would they build up Joe returning? Nobody knew where he was. Nobody has heard from him since the kidnapping. Well there was that video, but during the months of his captivity, there was one siting of him. How do you build up a guy they knew nothing about. The only one that new about Joe was Bischoff. Which it amazes me why no one questioned how he knew where Joe was. But I'm guessing that's going to unfold in the coming weeks. Seems to me they're playing the mystery angle with Joe. Where was he? Who toke him? Why is he back as the old Joe? Dis Bischoff have something to do with his kidnapping? What's with they crazy looks he was giving on Impact?