Elimination Chamber Ticket Fails...

[Mr. Roman Empire]

And with a high predictability factor comes a high "Why should I give it shit" factor.

Why should the audience show up only to see a guy they don't like stand tall over
everybody else?

And yes it's filled with talented workers...all who are in the match simply to make
the Plank of Wood look strong as he spears & pins them.

Also get ready for Strowman to eat another pin as he slowly but surely becomes
just another performer on "The Roman Reigns Show"

Remember when Strowman actually had momentum & seemed like an unstoppable
force of nature destroying everyone & anything in his way?

Now he's singing songs & teaming with Alexa Bliss...

So much for the Monster Among Men...he slowly turning into the Big Show before
our eyes.

Also remember the last Elimination Chamber match where there were two favorites?
(Styles & Cena) but the the writers used the match as a way to finally put the World
title on Wyatt.

Remember how cool that was?

I do...

I don't think Strowmans character will at all be effected by the result of the chamber. I'm sure they will make him look hella strong. I personally would like to see Cena and Strowman start a feud after the chamber. Fuck the Undertaker, I don't wanna see another terrible Wrestlemania match from him. Let's see Cena vs Strowman at WM this year

 

[Grievous 3D]

I don't think Strowmans character will at all be effected by the result of the chamber.

I disagree...I think ever loss Strowman has suffered has had an impact on his character...
especially Fastlane & No Mercy.

I'm sure they will make him look hella strong.

I doubt it...this is Roman's time (as always) to look strong.

I personally would like to see Cena and Strowman start a feud after the chamber. Fuck the Undertaker, I don't wanna see another terrible Wrestlemania match from him. Let's see Cena vs Strowman at WM this year

Not unless Strowman is going over...because a loss to Cena would all but ruin him
in my eyes.

 

[Snowman1]

The line with Strowman seems pretty slim. If he takes a Slingblade, crawls back to his feet and takes a Curbstomp while Balor's on the top, Coup de Grace, then he gets up AGAIN and eats a Spear for the 3-count, he'll be fine... But if they go for a cover after the Coup and Strowman kicks out just to eat the 3 from the Spear it feels like bullshit.

Which makes no sense but hey, wrestling!... Also I called the Women's rumble failing because of Asuka being the only possible winner so what do I kmow

 

[Jacob Fox]

The line with Strowman seems pretty slim. If he takes a Slingblade, crawls back to his feet and takes a Curbstomp while Balor's on the top, Coup de Grace, then he gets up AGAIN and eats a Spear for the 3-count, he'll be fine... But if they go for a cover after the Coup and Strowman kicks out just to eat the 3 from the Spear it feels like bullshit.

Which makes no sense but hey, wrestling!... Also I called the Women's rumble failing because of Asuka being the only possible winner so what do I kmow

Yeah, to not hurt Strowman they will have to pile on finishers in order to pin him. But Alexb really had the best point. Best thing to do would have him dominate and win it. It would not only be good for him, but good for WWE in general.

And truthfully, Roman fans cannot complain about it. They all got sick of Daniel Bryan fans complaining that Bryan wasn't in the main event of Wrestlemania 31. All I heard was "Bryan main evented last year, let Roman have his turn!" Well Roman has main evented the last 3 manias, it's about time someone else did.

 

[Snowman1]

Yeah, to not hurt Strowman they will have to pile on finishers in order to pin him. But Alexb really had the best point. Best thing to do would have him dominate and win it. It would not only be good for him, but good for WWE in general.

And truthfully, Roman fans cannot complain about it. They all got sick of Daniel Bryan fans complaining that Bryan wasn't in the main event of Wrestlemania 31. All I heard was "Bryan main evented last year, let Roman have his turn!" Well Roman has main evented the last 3 manias, it's about time someone else did.

100% right. Given how much fun the creative team is having writing for Strowman, there has to be talks of him being the #1 face already isn't there?

 

[Death Walker]

You know.....you would think they would understand that matches don't have to be the main event to be some of the best matches ever.

EDIT: I mean they can even steal the entire event IF done right.

 

[Jacob Fox]

100% right. Given how much fun the creative team is having writing for Strowman, there has to be talks of him being the #1 face already isn't there?

We'd have to assume. I'd also point out that fan momentum is not an easy thing to artificially recreate. When it happens naturally, it's a thing of beauty for the business. They had it with Daniel Bryan in 2013. They have it with Strowman now. It would be a shame for them to just throw it away with Braun.

 

[Snowman1]

We'd have to assume. I'd also point out that fan momentum is not an easy thing to artificially recreate. When it happens naturally, it's a thing of beauty for the business. They had it with Daniel Bryan in 2013. They have it with Strowman now. It would be a shame for them to just throw it away with Braun.

...Maybe it's easier than we think. When you think back in history, wouldn't Daniel Bryan share a lot of similarities to some storylines in the territories? They pushed him a little bit then pulled back, less stop-and-start and more tease and take away... He was Mr. 0-7, then fired... Then rehired to stand against the Nexus, then a vanilla midget, then Mr. MITB, then 18 Seconds, then the serious-ish AJ Lee feud, then Team Hell No (which got over), then him losing a bunch of pinfalls and screaming about being the weak link, then him snapping and waylaying the Shield and going haywire in a stupid MITB match, then Summerslam 2013 and the Orton cash-in (hey that was predictable! And at the time it ruled!), then the dirty finish, then Big Show runs in, then he becomes a Wyatt, then the famous cage match after the fans see they gave up on the angle, blah blah Wrestlemania 30. Win, loss, win, loss, and this one time vanilla midget now has a full-time talking role. We grew with him. We went on a journey with Bryan...

Because even though we've all been screaming from the rooftops for a realistic, workrate-based product full of exciting in-ring action, whenever we fantasy book a PPV, we like to book dirty finishes or just take into account how it affects each character, instead of the clean finishes we chastise them for not delivering. There's a reason story arcs and characters draw. The Ringmaster, Rocky Maivia, The Straight-Edge Superstar, and the first person eliminated from NXT became four of the biggest stars of all time.

Like I was a gigantic Tyson Kidd Mark in 2012, as many people were Dolph Ziggler marks, and either way it was because the athletic 'Indy guys " stood out to us on the roster then. Now, off just their talents they'd be guys on the roster, while Braun Strowman is over here surviving ring collapses, smashing cellos, crushing four dudes at a time and flipping semi-trucks. Dude feels different and they've really put into us that whenever he is on the show It's must-see.

Whether we're going on a journey or standing out in a way that uniquely entertains the fans, Plank is hardcore failing right now. Not because he can't draw, just that they haven't tried anything with him that would draw (unless all my heel turn theories are right)

 

[Jacob Fox]

...Maybe it's easier than we think. When you think back in history, wouldn't Daniel Bryan share a lot of similarities to some storylines in the territories? They pushed him a little bit then pulled back, less stop-and-start and more tease and take away... He was Mr. 0-7, then fired... Then rehired to stand against the Nexus, then a vanilla midget, then Mr. MITB, then 18 Seconds, then the serious-ish AJ Lee feud, then Team Hell No (which got over), then him losing a bunch of pinfalls and screaming about being the weak link, then him snapping and waylaying the Shield and going haywire in a stupid MITB match, then Summerslam 2013 and the Orton cash-in (hey that was predictable! And at the time it ruled!), then the dirty finish, then Big Show runs in, then he becomes a Wyatt, then the famous cage match after the fans see they gave up on the angle, blah blah Wrestlemania 30. Win, loss, win, loss, and this one time vanilla midget now has a full-time talking role. We grew with him. We went on a journey with Bryan...

Because even though we've all been screaming from the rooftops for a realistic, workrate-based product full of exciting in-ring action, whenever we fantasy book a PPV, we like to book dirty finishes or just take into account how it affects each character, instead of the clean finishes we chastise them for not delivering. There's a reason story arcs and characters draw. The Ringmaster, Rocky Maivia, The Straight-Edge Superstar, and the first person eliminated from NXT became four of the biggest stars of all time.

Like I was a gigantic Tyson Kidd Mark in 2012, as many people were Dolph Ziggler marks, and either way it was because the athletic 'Indy guys " stood out to us on the roster then. Now, off just their talents they'd be guys on the roster, while Braun Strowman is over here surviving ring collapses, smashing cellos, crushing four dudes at a time and flipping semi-trucks. Dude feels different and they've really put into us that whenever he is on the show It's must-see.

Whether we're going on a journey or standing out in a way that uniquely entertains the fans, Plank is hardcore failing right now. Not because he can't draw, just that they haven't tried anything with him that would draw (unless all my heel turn theories are right)

The years of build for Bryan was hardly an easy manufacture. Plus, I would counter it was never their intention to build him into the main guy. They made that quite clear when he finally got his biggest push. So I would argue that Bryan's momentum was more organic than manufactured.

They tried to manufacture moment for Rocky Maivia and fell flat on their face. They only succeeded in making him popular by trying to make him hated. They took both Kevin Nash and Shawn Michaels, popular heels, changed their tactics to make faces out of them and both fell flat as faces. They had natural momentum and fan appeal and WWF decided to capitalize on that by changing them. And fell flat on their faces. And I am discussing both guys' first WWF championship runs.

When Strowman first came about, he was awful. The reason he is over now isn't, in my mind, the backstage antics like pushing a truck over. He has actually improved in the ring. In fact, he has drastically improved. Sure, they put him on a early Kane-like run, having him come in and randomly crush people. But that didn't get him over. His in ring work was so noticeably improved.

So I really don't think it is easy to manufacture. In fact, Vince can't even take credit for manufacturing Hogan's run as that was something that happened in the AWA and he capitalized on it.

 

[Grievous 3D]

The line with Strowman seems pretty slim. If he takes a Slingblade, crawls back to his feet and takes a Curbstomp while Balor's on the top, Coup de Grace, then he gets up AGAIN and eats a Spear for the 3-count, he'll be fine... But if they go for a cover after the Coup and Strowman kicks out just to eat the 3 from the Spear it feels like bullshit.

Yeah, to not hurt Strowman they will have to pile on finishers in order to pin him. But Alexb really had the best point. Best thing to do would have him dominate and win it. It would not only be good for him, but good for WWE in general.

Okay...let me have a go at this...

Balor eliminates the Miz...
Reigns eliminates Balor...
Strowman eliminates Rollins...
Cena eliminates Elias...

Reigns/Strowman/Cena are the final 3...Cena & Reigns
team up to get rid of Strowman...Cena picks Strowman
up for an A.A...Reigns hits 3 or 4 Superman punches
while Cena holds Strowman in the fireman's carry position...
then Cena hits the A.A with a lifting assist from Reigns...
Cena pins Strowman...Reigns takes advantage, hits a spear
on Cena & pins him to win as the crowd goes mild.

How close do you think I'll be with that match booking?

 

[edge4ever]

People are getting burnt out. It’s too easy to see the writing on the wall. Ronda is the new Brock for the women’s division, and so far her appearance was beyond underwhelming and now we’re going to see her sign a contract, which could lead to an altercation, but people want to see utter fucking chaos between her and Asuka. Book it. Bank on it, and make them rage war where the whole roster has to separate these 2 dominate competitors. Make Ronda seem like the badass she is, not show up and point at a sign after the main event of a PPV, and now sign a contract. You make statements by kicking ass, not standing and staring at each other.

And, don’t get me wrong, some of these things have their time and place: the intimidating stares, contracts, etc., but why the fuck is Ronda signing at a PPV? Why didn’t she sign the night after rumble on raw? Why didn’t she show up and just whoop all three women’s asses after the rumble? It makes no sense and people aren’t caring anymore.

Everyone knows Roman is winning. Everyone knows brock is keeping the belt to lose to him. It’s all too easy to see the writing on the wall. This isn’t to say that the PPV won’t be entertaining, as im sure it will be. However, that doesn’t mean people are that curious to see it, and pay an outrageous price for it at that.

I’m not saying that WWE can’t be predictable at times as sometimes it’s hard for them to hide their direction. I don’t need to be constantly surprised, rather more often than not would be nice.

 

[edge4ever]

The years of build for Bryan was hardly an easy manufacture. Plus, I would counter it was never their intention to build him into the main guy. They made that quite clear when he finally got his biggest push. So I would argue that Bryan's momentum was more organic than manufactured.

They tried to manufacture moment for Rocky Maivia and fell flat on their face. They only succeeded in making him popular by trying to make him hated. They took both Kevin Nash and Shawn Michaels, popular heels, changed their tactics to make faces out of them and both fell flat as faces. They had natural momentum and fan appeal and WWF decided to capitalize on that by changing them. And fell flat on their faces. And I am discussing both guys' first WWF championship runs.

When Strowman first came about, he was awful. The reason he is over now isn't, in my mind, the backstage antics like pushing a truck over. He has actually improved in the ring. In fact, he has drastically improved. Sure, they put him on a early Kane-like run, having him come in and randomly crush people. But that didn't get him over. His in ring work was so noticeably improved.

So I really don't think it is easy to manufacture. In fact, Vince can't even take credit for manufacturing Hogan's run as that was something that happened in the AWA and he capitalized on it.

To the Bryan point, yes, he was beyond organic, much like punk. Bryan was the guy who wasn’t supposed to be on top and didn’t fit the part, yet the fans wanted to see it, and wanted different. They ushered him to the top as he lead them with his charisma, yes chant, and likeable character.

 

[Jacob Fox]

To the Bryan point, yes, he was beyond organic, much like punk. Bryan was the guy who wasn’t supposed to be on top and didn’t fit the part, yet the fans wanted to see it, and wanted different. They ushered him to the top as he lead them with his charisma, yes chant, and likeable character.

Yeah but that's them capitalizing on something that developed organically, not manufacturing the momentum to begin with. I never stated the entire thing was organic, but it was hardly completely manufactured. It was the WWE, despite their tendency not to, seeing something that was working with the fans naturally and pushing it rather than changing it. But that's going to be true for any wrestler in a similar position who doesn't have their potential ignored or stunted by WWE.

 

[edge4ever]

Yeah but that's them capitalizing on something that developed organically, not manufacturing the momentum to begin with. I never stated the entire thing was organic, but it was hardly completely manufactured. It was the WWE, despite their tendency not to, seeing something that was working with the fans naturally and pushing it rather than changing it. But that's going to be true for any wrestler in a similar position who doesn't have their potential ignored or stunted by WWE.

Agreed

 

[Jacob Fox]

Agreed

Yeah I realize rereading what I wrote that I seemed like I was disagreeing with you, but what I meant to do was expand on what you said. Sorry if it came across differently.