Through a decade of debut albums...

[the dark knight]

wrestlemania = STONE COLD + THE ROCK + TRIPLE H + UNDERTAKER + KANE + SHAWN MICHAELS . untill now only take , kane and hbk have done it . stone cold doesnt count unless he gives a couple of stunners .

 

[random_dude]

To be perfectly honest I don't think WWE will miss those guys at WM or after WM just look at their rosters they have some very talented up and cummers who will carry the WWE for years to come.

 

[Wrestling16]

no they really won't. first off, I don't think the undercard is that bad...no worse then anyother year. I'd rather see Kane vs. Khali then Taker vs. Mark Henry in a match where the outcome was so friggin predictable. The WWE is going to push guys like Khali onto Mania weather we like it or not. If Triple H was there he'd be in the main event.....gee it seems the last time we had Triple H in the main event it was against Cena as well...what was Shawn Michaels doing that night....oh yeah he was fighting Vince McMahon....thats not a good undercard match, but it puts butts in the seats because people want to see Vince get his ass kicked....which is why the battle of the billionairs is actually a great match concept...sure the in ring work might leave something to be desired but as much as people want to see Vince get his ass kicked they'd rather see him get his head shaved. So where would Shawn Michaels be then if Triple H was heathly and on the card? He'd be the one probably to face the Great Khali. Thats actually worse. I'd rather see Kane who has been built as a sadistic monster be the small guy trying to knock of the Great Khali then HBK who would look like a rag doll in the ring.

The matches your complaining about would be going on in some form or fashion with or without the guys you mentioned. As my example yeah maybe it would be Khali vs HBK instead of Kane, but if you inserted many of those other guys it would be Khali vs. Jericho, or Christian, or maybe they are in the mitb so we get to see Khali vs. Jeff Hardy again!! or maybe Lashly would be defending to Finlay (because we haven't see that fued a million times) or Trumps rep would be Eddie Guerrero, sure the promos might be a little more entertaining but do you honestly think Eddie would have a better match with Umaga then Lashley can? Well perhaps, but you'd still all be crapping all over it because none of you want to give Umaga his due. Or if you changed the reps for Trump and Vince all together with guys that you missed, maybe yeah that match would catch your eye, but you'd still be pissed because now Lashley & Umaga would be fighting a match probably anyways for either the ECW or IC Title. You'd be crapping all over that either way. At least in Battle of the Billionaires after Lashley beats Umaga you'll get to see Vince shaved bald.

My point is and I still maintain this. These guys are not iconic stars. No one person makes or breaks a wrestlemania. Undertaker missed 2 because of injuries, Jericho, Christian, Eddie were all off last years mania and it was still awesome. Even Edge who you would put in your list if he was going to miss this mania missed 2 manias due to injury and they were still great. If Undertaker was going to miss this mania you'd have him on your list too and as I already pointed out even Taker missed 2 mania's and they were still great. But even the Mania's Undertaker has been apart of he's been in matches that you would have crapped on too. He fought Mark Henry last year, people didn't want that on the card. back at 19 he fought Albert & Big Show in a handycap match that he was originally suposed to team with Nathan Jones, fans didn't want to see that either. The point I'm making here is what I said before, just because a big name star that you think might be missed from mania is on maina doesn't mean that the undercard is going to look any better. You'll always crap over a match on the undercard, thats just what the fans do when a worker like Khali who people don't understand what the WWE sees in him, gets put on the card. I'm telling you now, Khali was gong to be on this mania weather you liked it or not and no matter who he was facing, you'd be crapping all over his match.


*edit* oh yeah don't double post either, you can quote multiple people for one reply by hitting the quote+ button for all and then hitting the regular quote button for the last person your going to quote

For a start how do you know everyone would be going against khali and also last years mania was no were great!

 

[This Guy]

For a start how do you know everyone would be going against khali and also last years mania was no were great!

I didn't say everyone would be facing Khali, I said someone would be. Khali would be on Mania's card even if all 9 of those people were still in the WWE right now and active.

Wrestlemania 22, was a great Wrestlemania. And even if you really didn't like it, the buy rates and the DVD sales don't lie. It grossed more money then any previous Mania.

You seem to be confusing your own question. Your question is will the WWE miss them. the answer is no. No one person will make or break that company now. You keep arguing that Mania would be better with them. I neither agree or disagree with that, but the WWE will not miss them as you asked. The PPV will still do record number buy rate, the DVD release will sell great and the WWE will march on to Wrestlemania 24, where no matter what they put on the card someone like you will still find something to bitch about on it.

 

[Wrestling16]

I didn't say everyone would be facing Khali, I said someone would be. Khali would be on Mania's card even if all 9 of those people were still in the WWE right now and active.

Wrestlemania 22, was a great Wrestlemania. And even if you really didn't like it, the buy rates and the DVD sales don't lie. It grossed more money then any previous Mania.

You seem to be confusing your own question. Your question is will the WWE miss them. the answer is no. No one person will make or break that company now. You keep arguing that Mania would be better with them. I neither agree or disagree with that, but the WWE will not miss them as you asked. The PPV will still do record number buy rate, the DVD release will sell great and the WWE will march on to Wrestlemania 24, where no matter what they put on the card someone like you will still find something to bitch about on it.[/QUOTE
I'am not saying guys like mysterio or hhh can break mania but they do help to make the card better!

 

[This Guy]

I'am not saying guys like mysterio or hhh can break mania but they do help to make the card better!

No they don't. What you basically have just said is that Mysterio & Triple H being on WM23 guarentees us a better card. Well they were both on WM22's card and you just said a couple posts ago that it sucked. So how do they make a better card? They don't. This is why I have said that WM23 would be more or less the same card as it is right now even with them there.

My point in case is the fact you used Mysterio as being a better card, but last year people bitched up a storm that Mysterio was in the Main Event and going over for the World Title. Its not about who you got, its about how you use them. So please stop arguing that its all about name power cause its not. It never has been in wrestling (at least not since the Hogan 80's days) its about how your using the talent you got.

 

[Kaedon]

The bottom line is this, wrestling is a machine. Thats how it USED TO BE, thats how it IS NOW, and thats how it ALWAYS WILL BE. When you have a machine and a part breaks, you take it out and insert a new one. There was a time when people thought no one could live up to the standards of Hogan, Savage, Warrior, Steamboat, and Andre. And who stepped up? Taker, Bret, HBK, Rock, Austin, HHH. Now we have more new people stepping up.

 

[This Guy]

And case in point. People keep talking about how this wrestlemania will bomb? Did you not watch the crowd at Raw last night? They were on fire. They ate everything up. Just cause you think Wrestlemania is going to suck, your probably in the majority. So again I restate my case that none of these guys will be missed for Mania this year.

 

[Kairi]

What are your top 3 debut albums from 2000-2010?