This Is Pissing Me Off

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^^^LOL...

Finally... Credible... But IN DEFEAT!!!

(I get it tho'....)

 

[noumenon]

Yeah, sucks that's the way it all has to go down but it's the only option for looking back on this guys reign with any fond memories of it..lol.
You can defend it all you want, I personally like Sheamus, I think he's awesome. It just comes down to the fact that the guy hasn't pinned anyone besides Evan Bourne since holding the fucking title.

 

[Axis]

No aparently it was more important. Orton had Sheamus down for the 1 2 3. The only thing that saved him was the interference. Sheamus looked weak. In order for him to not look weak, he could have atelast had Orton down after the kick, the Razor's Edge, or the Irish Curse, THEN have Legacy come in. At least during the time of the interferrence, Sheamus was in controll and could have had the match won.

You've made an obvious logical flaw. The only thing that saved him was the interference, but why did he need to be saved in the first place? The interference. If Sheamus had Orton down, then Rhodes jumped into the ring to attack Sheamus, it would not have made sense in the grander story. The idea was that we have to question, "Did Rhodes mean for the ref to see him or not?" Hence him sneaking down through the crowd. If he had climbed into the ring and attacked, that answer would be obvious.

What's so unique about his title reign? You don't talk someone up all the time about being dominant/strong and then have a reign like this. Who has he beat clean? Bourne? Evan Bourne? That's how you build up your champ? Make him look great against jobber Bourne but when it's someone big make him look weak? He doesn't even have to always when clean, he's a heel. But a DOMINANT HEEL! Him getting a dq when he was clearly beatin' isn't unique. It makes him look weak. Him getting a dq in a title match just to furthur another storyline that has nothing to do with him or the title isn't unique. It makes him as well as the title look weak. Like I said before, on house shows he can't even get a pin fall. He gets dq'd in all the one's where he's going against someone big. Why have him go against a big name when he's going to look weak? Mr. Big dominant champ is looking weak.

You ask how his championship reign is unique, and then you go on to answer exactly why it is unique. He's yet to pick up a big win against a big opponent entirely cleanly (though I do question everybody insistence that his win over Cena was tainted somehow. He pushed Cena off the top rope into a table, and won, but I digress), yet he's STILL the champion? "Who is this guy? And why the hell does he keep beating the top stars? I don't know, but he's a fucking smurf, and I hate him." Not everybody is going to fill the IWC orgyfest shoe-holes of SUPER DOMINANT HEEL MONSTER~ champion. Does he look like the fucking boss of the world? No, but you are too quick to conclude that he therefore looks weak. A weak champion would job every week (see: Rey Mysterio's championship reign). You throw the word "weak" around like it means something here, and it doesn't. He doesn't look unstoppably dominant, okay; but that doesn't mean he looks weak.

I don't see how that would reflect on Seamus at all (in terms of kayfabe).

Think of the intentional DQs by Punk on Jeff or Orton on Cena.... Didn't make them look bad at all.

That depends on how it was done. In the cases you brought up, Orton and Punk went for an intentional DQ because they saw it as the only way to escape with the title. In the case I put forward, Orton was the challenger, so him choking out (notice that's NOT bashing with a steel chair in order to draw the intentional DQ) would have only made Sheamus look like a bitch who needed the referee to get Orton off of him.

Except Seamus WON by DQ, having been shown to be out cold after a legal RKO.

After he was attacked by Rhodes on the outside, completely thrown off, and then tossed into the ring for the flash RKO.

I think what it comes down to now is that in the chamber (if the do decide to take the title off of him) he NEEDS to pin at least 3 of the participants. And I don't mean Ted and Kofi. He needs to get clean pins on guys like HHH, Cena, or Orton.

That's silly imo. Needs to pin three opponents in order to do what? Be the Ace of the company? He's not meant to be the Ace; he's only been on TV for about seven months. Getting a pin on Orton, Cena, or Triple H needs to be huge, not just a one-off PPV like the Royal Rumble. You are all looking for me to provide you with arguments that defend Sheamus as being the strongest person on the roster. I won't do so, because he shouldn't be portrayed as the strongest person on the roster. I'm not going to discuss this in kayfabe term, because that changes the parameters entirely; the underlying fact is that they are trying to give Sheamus a push, and they are succeeding. Giving him quick victories over Cena, Orton, and Hunter, all in a row, does nothing for him in the long-term.

 

[DesmondWolfe#1Fan]

well im suprised that sheamus even has the title this long i thought he would lose it on the next night like what kane did to austin. and im suprised that vince let a new guy become wwe champion. then again he is HHH's workout buddy.

 

[JurassicBonez]

You've made an obvious logical flaw. The only thing that saved him was the interference, but why did he need to be saved in the first place? The interference. If Sheamus had Orton down, then Rhodes jumped into the ring to attack Sheamus, it would not have made sense in the grander story. The idea was that we have to question, "Did Rhodes mean for the ref to see him or not?" Hence him sneaking down through the crowd. If he had climbed into the ring and attacked, that answer would be obvious.

That just proves my point that the title match was just for one purpace and had nothing to do with Sheamus at all. It was to progress the Legacy break up. Thus proving the Sheamus as champ is looked at as an after thought.

You ask how his championship reign is unique, and then you go on to answer exactly why it is unique. He's yet to pick up a big win against a big opponent entirely cleanly (though I do question everybody insistence that his win over Cena was tainted somehow. He pushed Cena off the top rope into a table, and won, but I digress), yet he's STILL the champion? "Who is this guy? And why the hell does he keep beating the top stars? I don't know, but he's a fucking smurf, and I hate him." Not everybody is going to fill the IWC orgyfest shoe-holes of SUPER DOMINANT HEEL MONSTER~ champion. Does he look like the fucking boss of the world? No, but you are too quick to conclude that he therefore looks weak. A weak champion would job every week (see: Rey Mysterio's championship reign). You throw the word "weak" around like it means something here, and it doesn't. He doesn't look unstoppably dominant, okay; but that doesn't mean he looks weak.
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When the commentators talk up about Sheamus, it's that he's unstoppable, he's domminant, I've yet to see that. His only clean win as champ was against Bourne. EVAN FUCKING BOURNE. He's a heel so I don't expect all his matches to end clean, but even the one's he gets DQ'd on (see the Rumble match) he's in a predicament that had the DQ not accur, he would have lost, thus making him look weak. Hell, the way he won the title didn't even make him look strong. As soon as he won, the commentators were not talking about the new champ in Sheamus, that he beat the big guy, but that it looked like Cena fell off the top rope.

His reign is unique? I see nothing unique about it. His reign is making him look weak (yess I said it again). He can be built as dominant and go around squashing everyone. Kane, Big Show, Umaga, Khali, Mark Henry (ECW, old SD run) ring a bell? The commentators talked big about them and they (the wrestlers) backed it up. Sheamus ain't backing up what people say about him.

How isn't any of this weak...

• His build up on RAW, he beat up Jamie Noble and The King.
  
• His build up to the the TLC ppv, he squashes Santino and puts him threw a table to send a message. SANTINO. The RAW before his title match, he had the perfect chance in slamming cena threw the table, but 10 sec. on ESPN was more important so he went with the host rather than the champ. Ya know, instead of giving the champ a disadvantage and hurting him 6 days before the title match
  
• After he won the title, no one was talking about how Sheamus toppled the big man and beat him for the title, yet it was that Cena looked like he fell off the top rope rather than Sheamus being the one that put him threw it.
  
• His only pin fall victory is Evan Bourne since winning the title.
  
• During his 1st title defense at a ppv, furthering the Legacy break-up storyline was more important than his title match and making him look strong. Orton would have won the match had the dq not been insued. In order to make Sheamus look strong, he could have had Orton beat, but Legacy was more important. Nothing to do with Sheamus at all.
  
• Since winning the title, he's beatin Evan Bource twice and MVP by pinfall. He beat Orton and Cena, but that was by dq. The Orton match had nothing to do with Sheamus, and when he beat Cena by dq, Cena got the last word in by giving him the FU.
  
• He's been looked at as an after thought since winning the title. How many RAW's has there been where Sheamus isn't even mentioned until the end? Or he gets his name mentioned in 1 promo and that's it?
  
• None of that reeks "Strong Champ" to me.