Theory: Triple H & Stephanie McMahon played politics and got Chris Kreski demoted & Chyna fired

[RLStern]

Torrie and Stacy were not threats to Chyna in any way shape or form.

Neither was Lita to Chyna, yet they were able to do stuff.

This was RTC's sole purpose was to clean up the image without the fans turning on the change.

They never cleaned up their image, they still had tits and ass etc.

RTC was a parody of the PTC. All those characters who turned heel eventually came back... lol

That’s not the reason for Chyna going to women’s division, she was in the men’s division for most of RTC’s run. In fact she was wrestling men during RTC in the beginning... until Stephanie became head of creative... lol it proves my point, has zero to do with RTC and any censors, they never complained.

So they didn’t put Chyna in women’s division cause of RTC or PTC because they never caved to them.

They didn’t put Chyna in women’s division cause guys were whining about jobbing to a girl as they were more than willing to job to her to the very end.

Either they were trying to rebuild the women’s division with Chyna or it was a demotion by Stephanie.

I’m going with demotion since it came out of nowhere when Stephanie became head of creative, who Prichard stated was responsible for Chyna booking during this time.

Especially when Kreski made it clear that Stephanie was going with Kurt and teasing a Triple H/Chyna reunion.

 

[Smart Marx]

Neither was Lita to Chyna, yet they were able to do stuff.

Yes and no, but at least you admit to my point.

It was was gonna be a whole lot of wheel spinning with Chyna in the women's division.

 

[Smart Marx]

They never cleaned up their image, they still had tits and ass etc.

RTC was a parody of the PTC. All those characters who turned heel eventually came back... lol

No one said they went pg in 2000. But the more questionable gimmicks were removed or toned down.

Val Venis never returned to the porn star gimmick. He was the Big Valbowski in 2002 with no real character and eventually Chief Morley in 2003.

Godfather didn't return to his gimmick until 18 months later in 2002 and even then it was brief and they made him "go legit."

 

[RLStern]

Yes and no, but at least you admit to my point.

It was was gonna be a whole lot of wheel spinning with Chyna in the women's division.

They pulled it off with Jazz, they were already pulling it off with Lita, it was a planned series, Lita would’ve gotten a win.

However it was cut short due to the Stephanie incident. If it was financial as known liar Jim Ross states, then they would’ve just skipped to having Chyna drop the belt, this company NEVER lets anyone leave with a belt after the Alundra incident.

She wasn’t allowed to TV for a reason, Stephanie. Whether that was to protect Stephanie from an ass kicking or jealousy is irrelevant

 

[Smart Marx]

it proves my point, has zero to do with RTC and any censors, they never complained.

They 1000% complained. You must not know standards and practices at all.

 

[Smart Marx]

They pulled it off with Jazz

Jazz never wrestled men in the WWE. And she's significantly smaller than Chyna.

 

[Smart Marx]

If it was financial as known liar Jim Ross states, then they would’ve just skipped to having Chyna drop the belt, this company NEVER lets anyone leave with a belt after the Alundra incident.

You know you can't actually force someone to work for you if they refuse to work without a raise, right?

 

[Smart Marx]

Again, there is zero reason Jim would lie for WWE as an employee of AEW in 2021.

 

[RLStern]

No one said they went pg in 2000. But the more questionable gimmicks were removed or toned down.

Val Venis never returned to the porn star gimmick. He was the Big Valbowski in 2002 with no real character and eventually Chief Morley in 2003.

Godfather didn't return to his gimmick until 18 months later in 2002 and even then it was brief and they made him "go legit."

The legit commercials were a joke, he was still a pimp, which is illegal in every state other than Nevada.


Chyna wasn’t a questionable gimmick, you’re saying they had an issue with men hitting women, that’s bullshit, men beat up women constantly, that never stopped. So it isn’t the reason why she went to women’s division.

They 1000% complained. You must not know standards and practices at all.

They complained about Chyna wrestling guys? Where?

They didn’t listen to a bunch of complaints, Austin was beating women with a chair and stunning Molly Holly, and the numerous ass beatings women got from men after Chyna was put in women’s division.

If you want to claim that they didn’t want men hitting women was a reason for Chyna going to women’s division. You’re gonna need to explain the numerous instances of men hitting women even more brutal long after she entered women’s division.

You know you can't actually force someone to work for you if they refuse to work without a raise, right?

Now you’re changing it from she asked for a raise and they fired her to, she held to them up for money.

She never held them up for money and her contract was not up until November.

 

[Smart Marx]

The legit commercials were a joke, he was still a pimp, which is illegal in every state other than Nevada.

It was a joke, but that was their attempt to appease the people who had a problem with him being a pimp.

Even then he was barely featured and disappeared quite quickly because he didn't fit the image in 2002.

 

[Smart Marx]

They complained about Chyna wrestling guys? Where?

They didn’t listen to a bunch of complaints, Austin was beating women with a chair and stunning Molly Holly, and the numerous ass beatings women got from men after Chyna was put in women’s division.

If you want to claim that they didn’t want men hitting women was a reason for Chyna going to women’s division. You’re gonna need to explain the numerous instances of men hitting women even more brutal long after she entered women’s division.

Read my previous reply about the difference between weekly competition between genders and having a heel do heel things infrequently.

You can literally google the intergender thing. Most wrestling companies having gotten notes on the men and women thing.

Again, there's a reason almost no mainstream company currently in 2021 does intergender matches on their tv program.

 

[Smart Marx]

Now you’re changing it from she asked for a raise and they fired her to, she held to them up for money.

She never held them up for money and her contract was not up until November.

I didn't change my story. My story was always she demanded more money to work and JR said forget it.

She wouldn't have been sent home if she was willing to work her original salary.

 

[RLStern]

I didn't change my story. My story was always she demanded more money to work and JR said forget it.

She wouldn't have been sent home if she was willing to work her original salary.

That’s not what you said:

You know you can't actually force someone to work for you if they refuse to work without a raise, right?

She wanted to be on TV, more TV means more money made, more appearances, she never held them up for money or refused to work unless she got more money.

Her contract wasn’t even being negotiated yet, they sent her home and took her off TV because of Stephanie, they told her they would renew contract but that was bullshit she was never allowed back to work there.

If mere contract renewal failed, She would’ve been brought back to finish out her last 5 months on her current contract. That didn’t happen because Stephanie didn’t want her at TV, there was a major incident that day.

Read my previous reply about the difference between weekly competition between genders and having a heel do heel things infrequently.

You can literally google the intergender thing. Most wrestling companies having gotten notes on the men and women thing.

Again, there's a reason almost no mainstream company currently in 2021 does intergender matches on their tv program.

That’s 2021, not early-mid 2000’s when men still hit women

It was a joke, but that was their attempt to appease the people who had a problem with him being a pimp.

Even then he was barely featured and disappeared quite quickly because he didn't fit the image in 2002.

Because they didn’t know what to do with him, he made appears until the end of 2002, around September. He actually fit their image more, especially with

 

[CakeWalker]

VOTE: Smark

He is 100% mafia this game.

 

[Smart Marx]

It is what I said, but you're misunderstanding what I said. People don't return to TV once a contract dispute occurs.

This happened with Goldberg who had 2 years left on his contract and demanded Sting money. He was taken off tv.

He eventually returned 5 months later and was given the pump in pay he wanted and got a great new contract.

Chyna demanded Austin money to return to work once she found out about the affair. She wanted to be compensated.

“The 400k was probably more than she was making when she was making a million.

She gets an increase in her downside, she’s going to make about $8000 a week. If she gets back rolling and gets creative rolling again and invests in herself like she did before in her character, then the chances of her making more money and being higher up on the card is obviously there. Her deal to me was: ‘I’m as valuable as Stone Cold is to WWE.’ Chyna is as valuable to WWE as Stone Cold Steve Austin is?”

“She knew there were a handful of guys that were making a million dollar downside and he was one of them. That was the magic number. At that time, that was the number you strive to attain if you’re a talent because that was the top of the pay grade, $19,000 a week. A lot of guys just took it as they earned it.”

“Jericho and I talked about that the other day, he had some 2 or 3 million dollar years on a $350,000 downside.

It’s there to make. That’s the incentive of it, that’s why it worked so well. You’re incentivised. [Chyna’s] deal was: ‘No, I don’t want a $400,000 downside guarantee, I want a million dollar guarantee.’ She wanted exactly what Austin, Undertaker, some of those cats were making. She was never going to be cast in their light or used in their way.”

“It would not have been a good investment for us to make. If Vince had said to me her heart was broken, she’s had some bad luck here, give it to her, well I would’ve given it to her. If that’s what he wants, it’s his money. But that’s not what he wanted.”

“[Vince told JR] ‘Give her her raise and put it in the level of a lot of these other guys earning seven figures, not being guaranteed it, and let’s call it a day. Quite frankly, I’m not crazy about keeping her.’ Which is what I wanted to hear, it was an ongoing saga. [I told her] everytime you come to work, you see Hunter or Stephanie, it’s going to eat you alive, you’re going to be miserable. I was just trying to be honest with her."

I double checked to see what he actually said and he even claims he got a direct quote from Vince who was not keen on keeping her unless she accepted a fair raise and Chyna was not having it. So you can believe what you want to believe and I'll believe the guy who's job it was to deal with talent there.

Now at this point I think we've come back full circle at a great place to do the agree to disagree thing because this is just a subjective who do you believe.