The Russo-Ukrainian War Thread (FKA Political Thread)

[Bobby Barrows]

If Fascists were to take over the United States and a Fascist USA starts attacking the rest of North America, who's going to stop them?

Americans themselves, because it'd cause a second American Civil War.

 

[CakeWalker]

If Fascists were to take over the United States and a Fascist USA starts attacking the rest of North America, who's going to stop them?

they already did. It was called the murder of the First Nation tribes and stealing of their land

 

[Bobby Barrows]

they already did. It was called the murder of the First Nation tribes and stealing of their land

First off, while not incorrect regarding the propensity for Europeans between the 16th and 19th Century to colonize on native land and take it for themselves, that's not what Fascism is. This is just out and out colonialism and imperialism.

Fascism's a 20th Century invention, but I think you know that and are just saying it as a hyperbolic device.

 

[CakeWalker]

Ceasefires has always resulted in the rebuilding of missile launchers and getting ready to fire missiles, whilst 3rd parties and Israel offer aid.
but yeah.
Ceasefire! Ceasefire!
smh
western privilege at its worst.

 

[Emb]

I once saw someone say that if the Cold War had gone hot, Communists would be hated just as much as Nazis.

 

[Sky]

oh yes. all the HAMAS targeted buildings, are just excuses. of course. of course.
it was all just a ruse.
the allies made up their was jewish death camps, to invade germany and stop their rise to world power.
oh yeah. it is all a conspiracy. Hamas are in pocket with the Israeli goverment. Iran and Lebanon also fire missiles into Israel.
OOOOOH ITS A CONSPRIACY
THE ILLUMINATI.

So, not wanting innocents to die is Holocaust denial. Great. Good to know that that's the state we're in. Literally no one said anything close to that and yet...

 

[Bobby Barrows]

I once saw someone say that if the Cold War had gone hot, Communists would be hated just as much as Nazis.

I mean they were hated even worse than Nazis in the 60s.

 

[CakeWalker]

but when HAMAS reject the new ceasefire deal.
it will still be these silly Jews that are to blame
they made sure October 7th happened.
damn jews

 

[CakeWalker]

alternative reality. the state of Israel is gone. from the river to the sea - palestine is free.
all LGBTQIA++ people no longer have a safe haven.
oh maybe those damn skull cap wearing jews were the good guys....

 

[Bobby Barrows]

but when HAMAS reject the new ceasefire deal.
it will still be these silly Jews that are to blame
they made sure October 7th happened.
damn jews

Nobody is saying anything close to what you're saying. The government knowing about it isn't the same as letting it happen. See 9/11 and the aftermath.

I think you really need a break.

 

[Bobby Barrows]

Like the IDF could totally have had information along the lines of "HAMAS is planning an attack", but no details as to where and when.

Why is that unreasonable?

 

[Canadian Dragon]

Sure, but even conservative governments can have progressive policies. Not everything is totally left and right like it seems to be in the US. I don't think I've ever argued otherwise.

Secondly, nobody is rooting for HAMAS to win, not even those opposed to the war. It's a fallacy to think that if Israel, who has the strongest military in the middle east, who is also backed up by the strongest military in the world, is suddenly going to be vulnerable and destroyed by a rag tag bunch of terrorists.

Its just not, but a ceasefire will at least allow for civilians who need go evacuate to get out of Gaza, or get the aid they so desperately need.

Israel is going to beat HAMAS regardless what happens, but why allow pointless suffering to be conducted when Israel can put innocent civilians as their first measure of protection? On both sides.

and from the ashes of Hamas they will just be another - the taliban and ISIS still very much alive and running their regions. the main difference here i guess is its in Israel's backyard but outside of full displacement, good luck getting rid of insurgency on a permanent basis

 

[Bobby Barrows]

and from the ashes of Hamas they will just be another - the taliban and ISIS still very much alive and running their regions. the main difference here i guess is its in Israel's backyard but outside of full displacement, good luck getting rid of insurgency on a permanent basis

Oh for sure. Far-Right Islamic Terrorism is always going to exist (thanks partially to US and Soviet interference), but that doesn't meant that innocent lives have to die for it.

 

[Sky]

and from the ashes of Hamas they will just be another - the taliban and ISIS still very much alive and running their regions. the main difference here i guess is its in Israel's backyard but outside of full displacement, good luck getting rid of insurgency on a permanent basis

Does Israel have any incentive to stop the insurgency though? Their continued existence is giving Netanyahu and Co. exactly what they want

 

[Canadian Dragon]

Does Israel have any incentive to stop the insurgency though? Their continued existence is giving Netanyahu and Co. exactly what they want

hey I see you've figured out the game where Hamas and Netan benefit from an endless "war" where Net gets to stay in power and Hamas gets funneled money and unlimited waves of martyrs. good for you

oh and the power creep is just a bonus for ol Net who was in hot water stripping away the courts rights before this happened. HOW CURIOUS!