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So by now, Vince and company SURELY realize that their top guy "the big dog" (who we're constantly reminded that he's huntin' in every match) is not working out how they planned. At all.
I may not mind him overall anymore, but watching his matches makes me roll my eyes every time. Gets alot of big moves on him, kicks out... kicks out... kicks out... Oh superman punch! What a colossal fucking move! Wow he got the 3 count. Nobody saw that coming..

And his mic work is rather cringe worthy most of the time. From over articulating, to bad corny lines... I just can't fully get behind dude. I mean sure he's got the size and look of a top dog, but something has to give with creative.

Flashback to the 90's.

"The blue chipper!" BOOOO!
"Rocky Miavia! The cleanest face!" BOOOO! DIE ROCKY DIE!

Ok fuck it then we'll let him be a dick, run his own lines alot... give him the freedom....

Then bam the guy becomes the 2nd most popular (behind Austin of course) wrestler...everyone loves the guy..


Why can't present day wwe creative just realize this again? Makes reigns an arrogant cocky heel, run alot of his own lines.... just give him freedom to come across in a much more natural manner.. and maybe, just maybe more adult fans will get more behind him. I understand he's geared more towards kids. But it's gotta be reeeeeally frustrating for dude to be booed out of every single arena he enters. From the second his music hits it's a constant boo. I admit though, being able to participate at survivor series was pretty awesome. It got so loud in there.

But overall just make the guy more bearable for everyone... I want to like him so much more... I just need a reason to....
A heel turn for 6-9 months could do wonders.

Any other ideas of how they can get him over? It may never happen... who knows..
 
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Oh but who doesn't loved having something shoved down their throat over and over.

Reigns would benefit from a heel turn, but it's highly unlikely to happen given his status with the company and how his character has been portrayed since being a singles competitor.
 
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I had an odd idea earlier. A couple scenarios actually.

Keep him and rollins as a tag team and singles competitors. (Run with the tag team idea for a but first).
He's got more respect with rollins it seems. Keep them both in the tag division chase and single title chase maybe for differing titles. But don't throw the straps on them right away..

Either that or keep them in singles competition. But have this mysterious 'masked duo' interfere in some matches from time to time. Attacking both sides of the matches. Obviously run the show as normal, reigns and rollins in their separate roles... still helping each other here and there but don't over do it and make it obvious about the masked guys... then a few months, say 6-8 months down the road reveal who it was all along.

Could work over time maybe?
 

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I personally think Reigns should take some time off...disappear for a little while...
then return as a cocky heel...

But knowing the WWE...they'll just keep doing the same thing and by the time they
realize they have to make a change...it will be too late and his career will be ruined.
 

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The thing is... I'm not sure how well a heel turn will work.

First of all him turning heel would get a massive pop lol. Maybe get him cheered overall... That's possibly issue #1 depending on how you look at it.

Then there's his shitty promos. I'm sure he has a great deal of animosity towards the fans booing him because of his booking. He can do some clever one-liners and had his infamous "I'm just a guy getting rich" line in an interview which is BIG heel heat. He can do it, but WWE has scripted promos which he's proven that he can't do. Stick him out here in these awful promos and you won't be able to just flip him back.

In the ring, so much better. He's proven he can be a quality base, control tempo, sell at the right times for the right amounts, and that type of stuff... Plus it gives us a break from him spamming Superman Punches and lets us see more of his offensive repertoire than just doing standard WWE babyface comeback crap... Plus there's the issue of match finishes, and Reigns being on the heel side means he'll go from being Samoan Cena to Samoan Edge since that's the Raw brand's only two main-event characters

Maybe it's worth a shot, but everyone thought ORTON NEEDS A HEEL TURN forever in 2012, then he turned in 2013 and it sucked hard.
 
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1st-The Superman punch has to go!!!!!

2nd-The guy is not good on the mic I agree with at @Gman003 let him be himself the scripted promos will never work for him. (Some new good catchphrases would do magic)

3rd-Maybe a subtle change to his wardrobe (Not much..... just tweak it a little bit.....make it new and fresh)

4th-He only gets cheers when he is with his sheild brothers....Have him do alot with Seth since he is over with the fans it may rub off on Roman.

Lastly- A few months ago I would have said new moves but the guy can actually carry a good match (Until he relies to much upon the Superman punch that is) His spear is one of the best ever....The speed, power and connection is always like Oh Shit! Example: Rusev vs Roman....The spear off the steps (AMAZING!) So AGAIN THE SUPERMAN PUNCH MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!! (Or at least lower the amount of times it's used and make it a signature not a finisher!)
 

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He's apparently still doing well in merchandise, so they can justify his run based on that much.

The true heels of the business are us fans though, not the company and definitely not the talent. We determine the ratings and whether somebody is over or not. As for popularity, unless a baby face is of a 'tongue in cheek' quality, fans boo them. It's a fact. The New Day is self aware so they get cheered. It doesn't hurt they play clowns on TV sucking themselves dry for the fans entertainment.

Roman Reigns, as far as I can tell, doesn't insult his own pride or tell much of a story whether in the ring or out of it. When watching a character one ought to get a sense of who that person is and what really matters to them so I can understand the disconnect there. However, the fans go too far. They demand a slave who will dance and who will maim him or herself for the fans' selfish enjoyment. Fans cheer talent willing to psychologically and physiologically damage themselves beyond repair. Reigns isn't doing any of that so they hate him even more. Without the self loathing, fans have zero chance to connect with him. Sure Daniel Bryan is beloved. He also suffers from depression and will likely suffer from head trauma for the remainder of his life. If I were Reigns I would coast, turn heel or whatever I needed to do. The absolute last thing any man needs in his life is for the quality of his own life to suffer because fans are a bunch of d*ckhead heels.
 

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Random thought: What about if Roman Reigns faced Undertaker at WM30 and ended the Streak? How would that have affected things?

He's apparently still doing well in merchandise, so they can justify his run based on that much.

The true heels of the business are us fans though, not the company and definitely not the talent. We determine the ratings and whether somebody is over or not. As for popularity, unless a baby face is of a 'tongue in cheek' quality, fans boo them. It's a fact. The New Day is self aware so they get cheered. It doesn't hurt they play clowns on TV sucking themselves dry for the fans entertainment.

Roman Reigns, as far as I can tell, doesn't insult his own pride or tell much of a story whether in the ring or out of it. When watching a character one ought to get a sense of who that person is and what really matters to them so I can understand the disconnect there. However, the fans go too far. They demand a slave who will dance and who will maim him or herself for the fans' selfish enjoyment. Fans cheer talent willing to psychologically and physiologically damage themselves beyond repair. Reigns isn't doing any of that so they hate him even more. Without the self loathing, fans have zero chance to connect with him. Sure Daniel Bryan is beloved. He also suffers from depression and will likely suffer from head trauma for the remainder of his life. If I were Reigns I would coast, turn heel or whatever I needed to do. The absolute last thing any man needs in his life is for the quality of his own life to suffer because fans are a bunch of d*ckhead heels.

Had Daniel Bryan never done any flying headbutts it wouldn't have changed a thing. I can't say much for the rest of the terrible brain trauma he has (there's no point to having 7 suicide dives on every show), but you're seeing us web nerds mark like crazy over a Tye Dillinger vs Bobby Roode match which I'm sure had both guys feeling pretty good the next day. Go check it out if you haven't, it's right up your alley.

For the Daniel Bryan comparison, Bryan was over due to that to the extent he was when he won MITB in 2011. People liked the guy and enjoyed his wrestling but he was no WM main eventer at that point. He was a guy slotted in the midcards and people liked him for that... It was when they teased it. Then grew the beard to give him a marketable look and had the awesome Hell No segments, but was the "weak link" as fans were like WHY IS BRYAN TAKING A BUNCH OF LOSSES GRRR STOP PROTECTING KANE and people loved the Hell No act and it got him over as a character and not just as a performer (BIG difference) and then he beat the shit out of the whole Shield and fans went crazy and he got the Summerslam title shot and was red hot and BEAT CENA CLEAN. AT THE PERFECT MOMENT. Then they took it away and teased and teased and teased and teased before we were pissing ourselves in excitement, then OH SHIT HERE'S BATISTA LETS GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY and you know the story.

WWE made Daniel Bryan. He was a midcard vanilla midget that steadily rose to the top in the most perfect way possible... The opposite of Roman Reigns, who is so tailor made to be the face of the company. I see what Vince sees in him, but that's why the feeling of him being hand-fed the opportunity - plus the stench of RR 2015 hasn't worn off - to be a forever champion in the next 10 years bothers everybody.

It's all in kayfabe, even our own weird twisted version of it in 2016.

(Also STOP DIVING THROUGH THE DAMN ROPES BIG E YOU'RE GOING TO KILL YOURSELF)
 

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He's apparently still doing well in merchandise, so they can justify his run based on that much.

The true heels of the business are us fans though, not the company and definitely not the talent. We determine the ratings and whether somebody is over or not. As for popularity, unless a baby face is of a 'tongue in cheek' quality, fans boo them. It's a fact. The New Day is self aware so they get cheered. It doesn't hurt they play clowns on TV sucking themselves dry for the fans entertainment.

Roman Reigns, as far as I can tell, doesn't insult his own pride or tell much of a story whether in the ring or out of it. When watching a character one ought to get a sense of who that person is and what really matters to them so I can understand the disconnect there. However, the fans go too far. They demand a slave who will dance and who will maim him or herself for the fans' selfish enjoyment. Fans cheer talent willing to psychologically and physiologically damage themselves beyond repair. Reigns isn't doing any of that so they hate him even more. Without the self loathing, fans have zero chance to connect with him. Sure Daniel Bryan is beloved. He also suffers from depression and will likely suffer from head trauma for the remainder of his life. If I were Reigns I would coast, turn heel or whatever I needed to do. The absolute last thing any man needs in his life is for the quality of his own life to suffer because fans are a bunch of d*ckhead heels.

Have to nearly 100% disagree with everything you've written here (which might be a first). The only thing I really can't disagree with is the merchandise sales because I don't really pay attention to much. But you're right that if he pushes a lot of merchandise, that is a checkmark in his favor for his current push.

I don't agree that us fans are the true heels of the business. Heel actions are determined by choices that wrestlers make that make them heels. Fans cannot control what they like and do not like. If I could flip a switch and suddenly like Roman Reigns, I would flip that switch. And you know why? Because I'd much rather enjoy his run than sit here and groan every time I see him because I am not enjoying him. I cannot decide who I like and don't like. That's not how emotion works.

Furthermore, "heel" doesn't mean "not over" For a very long time, the "cheer babyface" "boo heel" line has been very blurred. The New Day don't get cheered because they're self aware. They get cheered for the VERY point that this thread makes. They were an extremely unpopular face team, who was rather tongue in cheek when they were faces... but they got booed out of the building. So they became heels. And they played their heel characters to the hilt and became super popular for this reason. They injected a LOT of their own personality into their characters. They were then made faces again while keeping their "heel" characters intact. The New Day, much like Roman Reigns, were doing characters that weren't working for a large block of the fan base. So WWE changed them and it worked like a charm. And for the record, they sold plenty of merchandise as a heel team too, so there is no saying Roman won't do the same.

I don't demand that Reigns become some sort of slave who damages himself in many ways. I don't want him to even change his moves that much, other than losing that idiotic Superman Punch. I have never heard a single person say that they want him to hurt himself in order for us to like him. We simply don't like the fact that there is a disconnection with his character and are only asking for something different. I am sure that he would probably prefer to be cheered as well and WWE would probably be happy if he was too. They have been presented with a formula that has worked for decades of turning an unpopular face heel and seeing them suddenly become over, yet they continue to reject this suggestion which would only be beneficial for them. That is silly.

What irritates me is that people get offended when we suggest Reigns should turn heel. Let me say this clearly, anyone who thinks that we are AGAINST Reigns since we want him to turn heel are completely missing the point. If we were against him being popular, WE WOULDN'T BE SUGGESTING A WAY TO GET HIM OVER! His character is stagnant. His character has continuously been stagnant. We want him to turn heel because we think it would be good for his character and good for his career and THIS will help us enjoy him more. I want him to turn heel because it would be fresh for his character and because if he is going to continue to be a main guy, I WANT TO LIKE HIM AND I DON'T. I want them to do something with him that will make me enjoy him.

WWE like any business only exists at the will of its customers. As a fan, I have that right. As a person who has paid for the network EVERY month since it came out... as a person who has bought hundreds of PPVS in the last 30 years, given the show ratings, bought merchandise, spent thousands on tickets, I have EVERY right to express my discontent with the product. Without the collective money of the fan base, Roman Reigns would not have a job. When someone pays your salary, they have EVERY right to criticize everything you do.

The reason the counterargument falls apart is this: WWE may satisfied with their ratings and they may not. However, not a single person cannot tell me that they would not gladly welcome higher ratings, higher merchandise sales, more networks subscriptions and more ticket sales. Of course they want all of that. All of that comes from one place and one place only: the fans. Being that this is a fact, every person has a right to be critical of the product and to state why or why not they support that product. That doesn't make them dickheads. That makes them consumers. It also would behoove them to listen to those fans who are dissatisfied and who are not watching the product right now. It would make sense because listening to them in regards as to what is wrong, and doing something to make it better, will bring in higher ratings, more fans, more money. Revenue goes up and stock prices go up. Pretty simple fact of capitalism there.

Now I am not saying that WWE has to change Roman because so many fans want him to. I am not saying that Roman should change anything about himself because the fans want him to. However, to criticize the people who give him the money right now so he has a job just for expressing their opinions is asinine. Obviously I don't like Roman's character but WWE still gets my viewing and my money. I'm not going to lose sleep over it if they never change him. However, if they continue to promote him in a way that continues to get him nearly universally booed, I'm going to call them stupid for doing it. That's my right as their customer. A person who gives their money to a company and doesn't say a word even though they hate what the company is doing is an idiot.
 

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Wow. I'm glad most agree. I didn't expect that crazy amount of support lol but thanks.
Btw fuck social conditioning. I've been free from that for years. Especially with wwe. I'm not going to like or hate because everyone else does. I was booing reigns because I'm not a huge fan of his character.. NOT because I want him to hurt himself more or change his moveset (ok maybe that fucking titanic-sized punch).

I like his look overall..he has certain key ingredients to be that top guy... but also some key ingredients are lacking. Such as mic work. He needs to sound more natural. The commentating of his matches needs to be not so repetitive. Fuck that every match should feel fresh....call the action don't read it.

I agree with @Grievous , if creative doesn't do something with him soon it'll be too late by the time they do.

Like fox said, we want to like him. They're just making it difficult.
 

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I actually think Reigns is pretty good in the ring...I actually like his slow, methodical
ring style/presence...even though he's a big guy...his style is that of much larger guy...
And I like that. He has a great look and I can see why the ladies like him so much.

His promo work...well...I haven't seen/heard much of it...but I've read/heard its
terrible...but not everyone can be magic on the mic...so I can give that a pass.

I don't mind the Superman Punch and his spear is great...I still think Goldberg
is the King of the Spears...but Reigns hits like a freight train and it always looks
brutal.

I actually think the main problem with Reigns is well...he's a family man and we
all know that. If he was single...there would be more booking options for him as
a face or a heel.

Okay...so I'm not a "shipper" or anything...but say if they paired Reigns up with
a female performer...heel or face.

Heel Options: (Not counting the Brand Split)
Charlotte (And my heart breaks as I type this)
Alexa Bliss (While I hate the idea...see has the mic skills and personality)
Dana Brooke (Not the best option)
Eva Marie (Also married...but imagine the nuclear heat)
Carmella (May-be in a year or 2...and if Big Cass would allow it)
Sasha Banks (They would look great together...and I love heel Sasha)

You could cover his weaknesses by having him serve as the silent, savage type.
His on screen partner could do all the talking while he could just be a smug brute
who crushed anyone in his way. I guess like an American/Samoan Lana & Rusev.

If you paired him with a face...you could hopefully use that to develop his actual
personality and show that underneath all the muscles and wet hair...he was a caring
and loving guy. Most men could relate to that (even if they wouldn't admit it) and the
female fans would eat that up and ask for seconds.

Face Options: (Not counting the Brand Split)
Bayley (Seriously...Bayley could get anyone over)
Sasha Banks (People love Sasha...she has style, class and charisma)
Becky Lynch (Wow...I mean...my mind can't process that one)

Of course...he would have to have the right chemistry with
whoever you paired him with...but it could work either way...

but...

These are options the WWE can't even look at...because...
Roman is a married family man.

Again I'm just thinking out loud here...but the WWE really needs
to something different in the next few months...because like I said...
his career will eventually be ruined beyond repair.
 

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I actually think Reigns is pretty good in the ring...I actually like his slow, methodical
ring style/presence...even though he's a big guy...his style is that of much larger guy...
And I like that. He has a great look and I can see why the ladies like him so much.

His promo work...well...I haven't seen/heard much of it...but I've read/heard its
terrible...but not everyone can be magic on the mic...so I can give that a pass.

I don't mind the Superman Punch and his spear is great...I still think Goldberg
is the King of the Spears...but Reigns hits like a freight train and it always looks
brutal.

I actually think the main problem with Reigns is well...he's a family man and we
all know that. If he was single...there would be more booking options for him as
a face or a heel.

Okay...so I'm not a "shipper" or anything...but say if they paired Reigns up with
a female performer...heel or face.

Heel Options: (Not counting the Brand Split)
Charlotte (And my heart breaks as I type this)
Alexa Bliss (While I hate the idea...see has the mic skills and personality)
Dana Brooke (Not the best option)
Eva Marie (Also married...but imagine the nuclear heat)
Carmella (May-be in a year or 2...and if Big Cass would allow it)
Sasha Banks (They would look great together...and I love heel Sasha)

You could cover his weaknesses by having him serve as the silent, savage type.
His on screen partner could do all the talking while he could just be a smug brute
who crushed anyone in his way. I guess like an American/Samoan Lana & Rusev.

If you paired him with a face...you could hopefully use that to develop his actual
personality and show that underneath all the muscles and wet hair...he was a caring
and loving guy. Most men could relate to that (even if they wouldn't admit it) and the
female fans would eat that up and ask for seconds.

Face Options: (Not counting the Brand Split)
Bayley (Seriously...Bayley could get anyone over)
Sasha Banks (People love Sasha...she has style, class and charisma)
Becky Lynch (Wow...I mean...my mind can't process that one)

Of course...he would have to have the right chemistry with
whoever you paired him with...but it could work either way...

but...

These are options the WWE can't even look at...because...
Roman is a married family man.

Again I'm just thinking out loud here...but the WWE really needs
to something different in the next few months...because like I said...
his career will eventually be ruined beyond repair.

Can't really agree with you that Roman being a married man is why people don't like him. In all honesty, I'd bet dollars to donuts that the majority of fans might not care one way or the other.

The dislike of Roman Reigns comes down to one very simple fact: fans felt like WWE was pushing him too hard and too fast when the majority of the fans wanted to see someone else. It has very little, IMO, to do with anything regarding Reigns himself. It had mostly to do with that the most popular wrestler when he began getting his big push was Daniel Bryan. When Bryan was unceremoniously eliminated from the 2015 Royal Rumble, a lot of fans got butt hurt and took it out on Reigns. They felt that their animosity alone would be enough to convince WWE to stop pushing him as their top guy. When WWE didn't relent to the will of this faction of fans, they became determined to dislike him simply because they felt like their will was being ignored.

It has now moved beyond the origins of the dislike though. Now it's simply a grudge. And as long as WWE pushed Roman in a similar way to how they were pushing him when the fans first began turning against him, he will continue to be unpopular. That's why they need to change his character up. Fans will recognize they are doing something different with him, they will feel like their animosity is being addressed and Roman may benefit from this. It's simple psychology.

Ironically, I am completely sure WWE made the right call in pushing Reigns to the main event of WrestleMania 31. That match with Brock Lesnar was pretty amazing in my view. Even if Rollins hadn't cashed in and Reigns won, I would have been fine with it because it was a damn good match.

It addresses a point I made earlier. You cannot tell your fans what they should like. It's stupid to even assume you can. If you try and tell someone what they SHOULD like, they will more likely than not end up disliking it. It works this way. When you're a child, you are dependent upon your parents for nearly everything. It's easier to tell a child what they should want and like. But a parent's job is to teach their child to become independent as they become an adult. Part of this independence is being able to determine what you like and how you should feel about something. Adults push back because being told what they should like is an assault on their independence.

Think I'm wrong? Try it out and see what happens. It's typical developmental psychology. WWE could afford to learn some of it. Stop trying to tell us what we should like. Allow us to decide for ourselves if we want to.
 

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Ditch the shitty vest (maybe get him an entirely new gear), ditch The Shield music, turn him heel. Let him be himself.

That'll help revitalize him and get him over.

The way things are going right now, he ain't gonna stop being booed out of the building anytime soon and Roman's not to blame for that.

And for the record, I actually like Roman Reigns.
 

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Anyone consider Vince knows exactly what he is doing? I mean clearly Roman isn't over right now, but is that entirely a bad thing? I think that maybe it is a case of Vince allowing other people (wrestlers) to have the spot light right now. Like imagine if Roman did get over, and was the TOP DAWG... We would just end up with the whole "John Cena" effect where sure, some people enjoy him (mostly women and kids) but most people complain about him being involved with every main story line. I mean had they been running something with Roman as the big story line, I think it would have suffocated a lot of life out of other feuds/matches because they would not have gotten as much attention (and clearly most of them need that attention). I don't know, maybe I am just over analyzing this.
 

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A heel turn for Reigns could work wonders for him. Personally though, he's just not my type of wrestler. The only time i would cheer for him, is if he teamed up with The Rock. Otherwise, no.