The Question of Representation

[JakeYourBooty]

Just took a look at MITB, SummerSlam, Bash and the upcoming Bad Blood PLEs. Of the 63 spots there were (or are) over these 4 shows (Naomi and Carmelo at MITB, Bianca and Jade at Bash), only 4 were filled by black Wrestlers. That isn't a lot. ...also SummerSlam this year was the first SummerSlam since 2024 that didn't feature a single black talent in a Match.

Of course, there has been a good chunk of non-White talent on those show regardless, mostly thanks to the Bloodline.

Yeah this logic still makes no sense to me sounds like people want people to be booked cuz of race and not cuz of talent or overness

 

[Death By Looch]

Yeah this logic still makes no sense to me sounds like people want people to be booked cuz of race and not cuz of talent or overness

Yea, sounds like it. Forcing quotas on companies does not help with the problem in the long run.

 

[Sabretooth]

Yeah this logic still makes no sense to me sounds like people want people to be booked cuz of race and not cuz of talent or overness

But maybe they’re not over cause they’re not being booked lol.

I don’t believe that but I’m showing you how this argument can go around in circles.

 

[Chris]

Tbh since the entire thing seems to be looking at PLE stats instead of any one persons's booking they could simply just have more than 5 matches per show 5 matches is like 15 people max, I don't think any kind of quota should be looked at for your top 15 guys but maybe more than 15 could be featured.

 

[JakeYourBooty]

I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if Miz v Truth gets added to this PLE cuz of this shit

 

[Dale]

Tbh since the entire thing seems to be looking at PLE stats instead of any one persons's booking they could simply just have more than 5 matches per show 5 matches is like 15 people max, I don't think any kind of quota should be looked at for your top 15 guys but maybe more than 15 could be featured.

Funny thing is, even if they added 2 more matches they probably still wouldn't get on for the most part. It'd most likely be the champions who aren't making the PLE's like Gunther this time around for example.

 

[Comrade Khan]

in the tweet: WWE is reportedly now aware of the lack of representation for black male wrestlers on PPV. - no one actually calling wwe racist, just pointing out facts.

wwe fans : OMG STOP CALLING WWE RACIST

Lot of fighting invisible enemies and echoing in here

 

[JakeYourBooty]

in the tweet: WWE is reportedly now aware of the lack of representation for black male wrestlers on PPV. - no one actually calling wwe racist, just pointing out facts.

wwe fans : OMG STOP CALLING WWE RACIST

Lot of fighting invisible enemies and echoing in here

I stand by all my posts

 

[Dale]

Take Andrade / Carmelo for example. A feud that's been done really well and worthy of being on the PLE but can you imagine all the shit that's going to get spouted now if they announced it on SmackDown? There'd be people saying it's only added because what's happened over the last few days. Then there would be the group bringing up the stats again for black guys on PLE's if Carmelo was to lose and then people saying it would be a "quota" win if Melo actually won.

 

[JakeYourBooty]

I blame Apollo Crews
His raw talent and look are there he’s just got the charisma of a pudding cup

 

[Comrade Khan]

I stand by all my posts

And I stand by mine, not a lot of mature discussion in here and a lot of ''ah people who say this are white'' ''ah well they'd complain about it anyways and say it was forced'' ''its just trying to meet a quota'' . all this responding to some very tame criticism. Hell, Sabs had one of the most nuanced points. Think about that for a minute.

I don't think it's due to racism but I do think it's an interesting stat and the fact WWE are aware means that it's something they likely want to adjust. They are a public company and will always try to maximize their customer base from every demographic.

Just saying, you can talk about this kind of stuff without becoming a caricature the other side may paint us as. nuance as they say.

And I absolutely came in here to disrupt the status quo, like I said was getting pretty echoey in here

 

[JakeYourBooty]

Oh I know no one really thinks it’s a racism thing

My only real point is I don’t want any company to feel they have to push or feature someone based on race

 

[Comrade Khan]

Oh I know no one really thinks it’s a racism thing

My only real point is I don’t want any company to feel they have to push or feature someone based on race

I think we live in a world where when you are a company that touts being the biggest wrestling company in the world and talk about being a presence in every country, including places like Saudi Arabia, for example, you need to make some effort at representation. I think people misinterpret giving people of color more opportunity as taking away from their own opportunities when it should be about giving them the SAME amount of opportunities as their white counterparts. I also think it often comes up that people don't want people of color to be forced into positions, but I don't think anyone every advocated for anyone to be pushed SOLELY on color. I think the point is and always should be that they have the same opportunities.

I think for black talent, outside of the PPV issue, we have come a very long way and I think it's a pretty much non-issue outside weirdo talking heads and some old morons in management, maybe. For what Jinder mentioned? Yeah I think there's room for improvement.

 

[Sabretooth]

Maybe Vince was a good guy all along

 

[Comrade Khan]

Maybe Vince was a good guy all along

and back to reality