The End for D'Z?

[Roadster]

So throughout history, we've come to know that the end of a superstars career is signaled by a couple things. An injury, old age or an affair storyline.:fact:


Now it's Dolph Ziggler's turn to be thrown into the pit. Is this really the end of his push as a midcarder? Is this really the end of a fruity career?:ricardo:

Seriously though, what do you guys think about this new storyline, and what will it do to help/hurt Dolph Ziggler.

 

[Aids Johnson]

What a shit thread.

 

[Roadster]

What a shit thread.

Thanks, I tried. But I do mean this in seriousness.

Affair storylines aren't a good sign, for anything. Name one superstar who came out of an affair storyline looking good. Zack Ryder? Big Show? John Cena? It's all really stupid, and sadly Dolph Ziggler is getting thrown into this batch of failures. And judging by the fact that the WWE couldn't give one shit about protecting Ziggler, they might actually be happy if this ruins his credibility.

 

[Stopspot]

If rumors are to be believed it's Rusev that this is set up to fail. Not Dolph.

 

[Aids Johnson]

Thanks, I tried. But I do mean this in seriousness.

Affair storylines aren't a good sign, for anything. Name one superstar who came out of an affair storyline looking good. Zack Ryder? Big Show? John Cena? It's all really stupid, and sadly Dolph Ziggler is getting thrown into this batch of failures. And judging by the fact that the WWE couldn't give one shit about protecting Ziggler, they might actually be happy if this ruins his credibility.

Ziggler is there until he decides against it. He is a jobber because of his ability, same as Hall and many others before him. Midcarder, jobber to the stars...that's all there is to it.

Ziggler can stay in WWE forever and he will never be pushed properly, that's all there is to it. Fans would have to jump off the Bryan dick and other subpar stars to get DZ his own push - and even then it would be limited. He is a shoutout to the 90s style and will never be heel of the company. Proof? Seth Rollins can't hold a torch to Ziggler in my book, his fake laugh and other shit are great, but Ziggler is > and that is the issue, because Rollins is accepted as a shitbag heel the likes of CM Punk.

Let's face it, Ziggler > CM's Shitstain on the WWE, Rollins, and more. It doesn't mean they aren't great in their own right, but Ziggler is HoF material in ANY other era. He is this generations Jericho. The HBK, the Steamboat.

 

[Roadster]

tbh, Seth Rollins is better than Dolph Ziggler. But that's about it. He's on par if not better than Chris Jericho and Daniel Bryan. He's one of the elite wrestlers on their roster, but sadly he's always given shit to work with.

 

[Stopspot]

Ziggler is there until he decides against it. He is a jobber because of his ability, same as Hall and many others before him. Midcarder, jobber to the stars...that's all there is to it.

Ziggler can stay in WWE forever and he will never be pushed properly, that's all there is to it. Fans would have to jump off the Bryan dick and other subpar stars to get DZ his own push - and even then it would be limited. He is a shoutout to the 90s style and will never be heel of the company. Proof? Seth Rollins can't hold a torch to Ziggler in my book,

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Ziggler is where he's at because he is a bump monkey. He's an amazing bumper but a bad seller and storyteller as noticed by him being right back up no matter what he is hit with. The guy got thrown over an announcetable into a chair and still was able to run into the ring, climb a ladder and win a briefcase with no rest in between. His matches with Rusev has been some of his best because Rusev doesn't take that shit.

Then we have the subject of Ziggler's bad promo ability and forced cool guy schtick but that is for another day.

There is more mileage in a guy like Rollins and more to get out of him, than there is out of Billy Gunn's clone.

 

[Aids Johnson]

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Ziggler is where he's at because he is a bump monkey. He's an amazing bumper but a bad seller and storyteller as noticed by him being right back up no matter what he is hit with. The guy got thrown over an announcetable into a chair and still was able to run into the ring, climb a ladder and win a briefcase with no rest in between. His matches with Rusev has been some of his best because Rusev doesn't take that shit.

Then we have the subject of Ziggler's bad promo ability and forced cool guy schtick but that is for another day.

There is more mileage in a guy like Rollins and more to get out of him, than there is out of Billy Gunn's clone.

There is more milage, but Ziggler certainly isn't worse at his promos than rollins, i'd say they are close. You have your opinion and it's well documented on certain workers, I have mine. Ziggler could have been face of WWE just the same as Rollins, the super kick needs to be sold better and we'd be fine.

I know you puro all your shit, but as far as WWE is concerned, Ziggler could easily be put in the front of the force if babied and held up the same as Rollins before SS. How many ppv's in a row did dude not legit win anything before he finally became strong? I'm all for Rollins now, but it's only been 2 months max he was a legit threat, and I hate bitch heels.

 

[Roadster]

Yeah WWE needs some monster heels. Not Brock Lesnar monster heel, i'm talking Vader. Doing the unthinkable (Vader crushing Monsoon on his first RAW)

 

[Aids Johnson]

tbh, Seth Rollins is better than Dolph Ziggler. But that's about it. He's on par if not better than Chris Jericho and Daniel Bryan. He's one of the elite wrestlers on their roster, but sadly he's always given shit to work with.

Rollins is never Jericho. I'm not putting him down or Ziggler, but to me Ziggler is more Jericho than Rollins easily.

 

[Stopspot]

There is more milage, but Ziggler certainly isn't worse at his promos than rollins, i'd say they are close. You have your opinion and it's well documented on certain workers, I have mine. Ziggler could have been face of WWE just the same as Rollins, the super kick needs to be sold better and we'd be fine.

I know you puro all your shit, but as far as WWE is concerned, Ziggler could easily be put in the front of the force if babied and held up the same as Rollins before SS. How many ppv's in a row did dude not legit win anything before he finally became strong? I'm all for Rollins now, but it's only been 2 months max he was a legit threat, and I hate bitch heels.

Ziggler being the face of the E would be like Billy Gunn being the face of the WWE. And we all know how that worked out.

 

[Aids Johnson]

Ziggler being the face of the E would be like Billy Gunn being the face of the WWE. And we all know how that worked out.

The One Billy Gunn could have been great, it was poorly layed out. Jericho's unified title run was worse tbh.

 

[Roadster]

Stop making the Billy Gunn jokes, and actually give a valid point. Why exactly would he not be a good main eventer?

 

[Roadster]

His promo ability seems perfectly fine to me, he does over-bump but he sells perfectly fine. His cool guy shtick does look forced, but it works with him.

 

[Stopspot]

Stop making the Billy Gunn jokes, and actually give a valid point. Why exactly would he not be a good main eventer?

Lack of charisma, lack of proper in ring storytelling. Billy Gunn, like Dolph thinks that a loud voice equals a good promo and charisma. It equals neither.

Billy Gunn and Ziggler made a career out of high tempo matches, neither were or are any good at telling long, structured main event matches.

Ziggler doesn't sell shit. He bumps.