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The only bad thing about Bryan being in the triple threat (to me, anyway) is that it leaves HHH no other opponent other than probably Sheamus (since the odds of the Punk thing being a work are slim at this point, and I'm not hoping for it to be anyway.)
 

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The only bad thing about Bryan being in the triple threat (to me, anyway) is that it leaves HHH no other opponent other than probably Sheamus (since the odds of the Punk thing being a work are slim at this point, and I'm not hoping for it to be anyway.)

Does Triple H need to Wrestle?
 
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Does Triple H need to Wrestle?

This.

I don't need to see HHH at Mania in the ring. If it's a choice between Bryan/Batista/Orton for the title or Batista/Orton for the title and HHH/Bryan for the closeout of a storyline that's badly off-track, that's not a choice I have to think about for very long.

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Putting all personal dislike for Triple H aside, he's too big of a star and draw to just leave off the big Wrestlemania XXX card.
 
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Sounds to me like the perfect heels to put against him.

Well, the promos, build and match itself would all fucking suck, signifying a terrible start to Bryan's reign and bearing in mind Vince and co will be looking for any small signal that Bryan's popularity is falling or he isn't drawing as champion, it would probably put DB back into an upper mid-card position. Besides, Bootista has a title reign written into his contract so Bryan probably wouldn't even come out on top!

I'm a bit more optimistic about WMXXX now. Although Bryan/HHH and Taker/Brock have been booked oddly, they should deliver good segments from now on and, ultimately, two great matches. Tista/Orton will be a 10 minute fuck-up, but I don't care about either of them so I'm not bothered.
 

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I think Punk "leaving" is a work, so I'm pretty sure he'll come back and wrestle HHH at WM.

Considering the report that Vince told investors that Punk was taking a "sabbatical", that makes it more likely it's a work, not less.

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Considering the report that Vince told investors that Punk was taking a "sabbatical", that makes it more likely it's a work, not less.

wk

I think it could easily be interpreted either way since it could have just as well been Vince being optimistic that he can get Punk to come back eventually.
 

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I think it could easily be interpreted either way since it could have just as well been Vince being optimistic that he can get Punk to come back eventually.

I have to think that, if he had a real concern that Punk would not be back, it would be considered fraud for him to not be forthcoming to his investors on the future of a popular performer, particularly one who has been such a staple of his company's product as Punk has been since 2011. If he gave his investors the impression that Punk would remain in the company when there was not a real hope for it, it could artificially inflate the value of WWE's stock, which could lead to action by the SEC. And that's not a problem Vince would court, especially not with the launch of the WWEN and the issues it can/could lead to.

I know he's generally an optimistic guy when it comes to "talent negotiations", but this would be a really bad time for optimism and a much smarter time for good business.

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I have to think that, if he had a real concern that Punk would not be back, it would be considered fraud for him to not be forthcoming to his investors on the future of a popular performer, particularly one who has been such a staple of his company's product as Punk has been since 2011. If he gave his investors the impression that Punk would remain in the company when there was not a real hope for it, it could artificially inflate the value of WWE's stock, which could lead to action by the SEC. And that's not a problem Vince would court, especially not with the launch of the WWEN and the issues it can/could lead to.

I know he's generally an optimistic guy when it comes to "talent negotiations", but this would be a really bad time for optimism and a much smarter time for good business.

wk

Depends on how optimistic/desperate Vince is to get him to come back. I don't think it'd be dishonesty on Vince's part, really. Just him not wanting to completely come out and say Punk is gone. The way Vince stated that (and the voice I picture him saying it in since I didn't watch the video or anything) sounds like he's being pretty discreet about it. He doesn't want to come right out and say that Punk is definitely gone since he's optimistic he can get him back, but at the same time, if Punk refuses to return, then McMahon will simply confirm it at a later date without anyone being able to accuse of him lying. (Of course, after watching Raw and seeing the confrontation between Daniel Bryan and Triple H, it's pretty clear now that it isn't a work.)
 
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After glimpsing through this thread, I will reply and state this:

The crowds reaction wasn't surprising at all. Literally, the entire WWE Universe was standing with their mouths open, not in a shock-like fashion, it was more of a "wtf, really?" kind of look. It was the kind of look that was disgusting. Every fan in the arena seemed to want a refund on their tickets. Not only was the result dissatisfying, the entire main event was predictable. Right when Kane came out, you knew what would happen. Another DB screw job.

I made this point to Dolph's Ziggler on another thread previously and, Dolph, for the record, I'm not trying to rekindle an old debate, but rather, this is the perfect time to illustrate my point. DB has been belittled since Summerslam of 2013. Sure, DB has been in main events, fought in numerous title fights, and had some big victories. However, I still wonder to myself: "how in the hell hasn't this guy been champion yet?" He's the biggest superstar, as far as reaction goes, that I've seen in years. He sells tickets/merchandise, wrestles well, decent on the mic, and has a good attitude. He's the prime candidate for a face champion. Yet, we deal with nothing but Orton for all of 2013. Cena returns and, low and behold, he wins back the world title and begins fighting Orotn again (real creative). To top it all off, 2014 starts and the RR event is quickly approaching. I keep thinking to myself, "okay, this is it...this is DB's moment, finally....he's been put off for 8 months...it's about time..." and, as you all know, he doesn't even appear in the RR event....wow....your top face as of right now....not even making an appearance in your single biggest event of the year. Pathetic.

I'm sure DB is happy that he's reached main event status and he should be. But, how can he not be frustrated or just as pissed as other wrestlers who are belittled when he clearly should've been champion by now? It's kind of the biggest slap in the face...I can see Vince backstage, "Well, DB, you're making us a lot of money, you're huge with the fans, and very talented as a wreslter, but tonight you're going to be screwed in the Chamber again...now, I know this seems to be happening a lot, but it's what best for business right now and we're going to build your Triple H feud more...you were set to fight Sheamus, I understand that, but Punk is gone and you need to fill this gap." I can picture Vince saying this backstage as the entire arena is chanting, "YES!" before the event even starts. Such bullshit.

They need to quit waving the gold carrot in front of DB's face and just give it to him. He's earned it, it's clearly his time, and Vince is blind.
 

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All I can hope for DB, Punk, Cena, Orton, Batista, Sheamus, Cesaro, Christian, etc., etc., etc. (yes, even Dolph Ziggler), is that there is an "endgame" plan in place.

A few months ago, there was a thread somewhere around here that asked the question, "Should WWE have an 'off season'?", to which I replied that it would be a good idea, not just for the health of the wrestlers (both mentally and physically), but also for the storylines. I actually proposed a rather complicated suggestion of returning to a brand split that would allow "Raw" to break between Wrestlemania and Summerslam and Smackdown to break between Summerslam and Survivor Series. This is one of the reasons I suggested that.

The storylines in modern pro wrestling are very complex and they have to be. This isn't because people today are smarter on average than they were in the 1930's or 1950's (in fact, I would argue quite the opposite in terms of pure intelligence). It's because WWE and TNA (and to a slightly lesser extent other pro wrestling promotions) have a national audience. In the 1940's, Gorgeous George could wrestle Lou Thesz in Los Angeles on Sunday night, in San Diego on Monday night, in Phoenix on Tuesday night, and in El Paso on Thursday night, and they could wrestle the exact same match, with the exact same conclusion and the exact same spots and nobody but them (and their travelling companions) would be the wiser. Today, if Daniel Bryan wrestles Kane on Monday night, it's nationally broadcast, and, if we get the same match on Tuesday night, Thursday night, and Friday night, people get bored and start bitching. This means that the feuds have to stay fresh and so do the matches. Even house show matches are (surreptitiously) recorded and the results become well-known within minutes of their endings. What this constant freshness (combined as it is with different feuds being in different places at the same time) means is that it becomes difficult from a writing standpoint to have as definitive an ending to a feud as there once was. Having "off-seasons" would allow definitive endings to feuds. Are you taking your break after Wrestlemania? Then, your feud has to end at Wrestlemania, because most fans aren't going to keep thinking about the feud while the off-season is going on. Sure, cliff hangers are fine on occasion, but they could easily become overused and tiresome.

What this has to do with the current DB situation is that we see that DB has been hosed since Summerslam. If he had come in in August, been set up for that Summerslam match, gotten screwed again and again, it would be obvious to any writer worth paying that the big title win for DB would be at Wrestlemania. Unfortunately, that apparently is not going to be the case, not because Batista and Orton are "destined" to be the main event at Mania, but because there has to be thought given to what happens after Mania. Due to those considerations, we're going to have to wait for the big DB title win. Don't get me wrong: HHH is a "main event player", even though he hasn't wrestled regularly in years and his role has been mainly non-physical, and a match between HHH and DB is a big deal and will most likely carry a "main event" moniker. It's just not the big deal that DB fans (and apparently most of the WWE Universe) want to see.

Bryan told us to tell WWE what we want. Since they're just as likely to look here for our opinions as anyplace else, this is as good a place as any to do that.

wk
 
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Yea, tbh not just because I want Bryan the champ, but the fact that a heel is always holding a title for a long ass amount of time like Orton just drills into me. WWE is fucking up with the WM30 card, 2 months ago, it was totally unpredictable, then they blew the RR, and the riots began.
 

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At this point, I hope WM30 is fucked. Imagine this, Batista goes over on Orton, and the crowd is booing the absolute fuck out of him. Then, out of nowhere, a big old milkshake splatters in the middle of the ring, food and drink start to build up in the ring. It would be amazing.
 
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