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I like Ryder. I'm down with Zack and Primo fool :p

I'm just honest about what Punk and Christian truly are and have been portrayed as, which is not top tier WWE talent. As for Morrison, I just never liked that SOB dating back to TE.
 

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I like Ryder. I'm down with Zack and Primo fool :p

I'm just honest about what Punk and Christian truly are and have been portrayed as, which is not top tier WWE talent. As for Morrison, I just never liked that SOB dating back to TE.
Morrison hasn't gotten a bunch of net love since the Dirt Sheet so wasn't talking about him, lol. Was talking about the two you mentioned and Barrett when everyone was high on him.
 

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Oh, Wade goes back to FCW. I see potential in Wade, but I don't see greatness yet like people were faping over. There were guys on the roster like Cody who are better than him on the mic, in the ring, and at getting a reaction if you compare Legacy to Nexus/Corre.
 

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About the IC / US title situation, it could be in the Extreme Rules thread i'm not sure because I haven't checked yet, but wasn't there some report out speculating that there would be a multi-person match involving The Corre? Maybe that's where they lose the IC belt.
 

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Cody and Ted pretty much got dead reactions in legacy unless they were in there with Orton or until they feuded with DX.

But speaking of Corre/Nexus I' am fairly shocked that none of them moved more so with the Corre since them breaking up is becoming too obvious.
 

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I know they didn't get a reaction until DX, but Nexus and Corre didn't get heat without fucking with Cena or Taker either. I just never bought into him being ready is all.

I do however laugh when I see people jack off to Miz and Cody now that they are the in Internet thing, whereas they ignored them beforehand and called them Marty Jannety's
 

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I' am proud to say I' am a original Miz fan, Cody on the other hand yeah I wrote him off but he's proven me wrong. He has improved leaps and bounds from when he was in Legacy.

And @ Dale I don't recall there being some multi man match planned let alone for the I.C title.
 

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I know they didn't get a reaction until DX, but Nexus and Corre didn't get heat without fucking with Cena or Taker either. I just never bought into him being ready is all.

I do however laugh when I see people jack off to Miz and Cody now that they are the in Internet thing, whereas they ignored them beforehand and called them Marty Jannety's

I never wrote Cody off since he turned heel and joined with Legacy. I always felt he was going to be a fine midcard heel but was skeptical of his presence until the Dashing gimmick came about.

Ever since then he's been turning heads.
 

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I know they didn't get a reaction until DX, but Nexus and Corre didn't get heat without fucking with Cena or Taker either. I just never bought into him being ready is all.

I do however laugh when I see people jack off to Miz and Cody now that they are the in Internet thing, whereas they ignored them beforehand and called them Marty Jannety's

Yeah man, you totally liked them before they were cool, man.
 

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They were cool then, just not indy legends working high school gyms and showing honor, nor were they guys who won the NWA title (never the TNA title) in a theme park after leaving SD in shambles and his best chance to be WHC behind
 

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We know, you hate people who weren't picked out for their looks or heritage and trained by Vince's boys.
 

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Nope. Don't have hate for Ki, Bourne, Bryan, or Daniels. I do for assholes like Styles, MCMG, Morrison, Cabana, and some of those cats though. Plus what is really wrong with following guys from DSW/OVW/FCW?

I really don't have hate or have it out for Christian or Punk though, just mostly get annoyed by the guys who act like they are actual main event players at a WWE level when their isn't a drug scandal, network losing markets, or c brand though. I'd even here a legit argument for them if it can be made, not a talent argument because I've always said they are talented, but a legit believability when in the ring with the top tier guys argument through past character portrayal. It is like reading Y2J marks saying he can carry a show or is a top guy, just makes me scoff because Jericho himself knows it isn't true, great fucking hand and entertaining beyond belief with the right material, but not a true main guy
 

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Let me add to what I said above, CM Punk to me has top 5-10 talent and skill set, as do Christian and Jericho, but I wouldn't call any of them an actual top 5-10 guy in any successful mainstream company.

Off the current roster or the roster from the past 2-3 years, I'd legit put their pure talent alone over many (Bryan's too right outside the cusp at 11 probably).

However if I was going off top 5-10 guys in recent years they would be the likes of Taker, HHH, Cena, Orton, Dave, Edge, HBK, Rey, Miz, Jeff Hardy, Big Show/Kane simply because at the end of the day it is a business. In that business you want guys with a high ceiling and who the casual fan and first timers will be attracted to, not just the loyalists or wrasslin faithfuls. Those guys have to be better protected and presented on TV because they are just bigger and better at putting asses in seats, getting viewers in front of the TV, and getting cash out of wallets.

It is like comparing Natalya, Beth, Mickie, Melina, and McCool to Trish and Lita. Yeah they are better in the ring and more naturally talented, but people don't give two squirts of piss about them in comparison.

Same goes for Hogan, Rock, and Austin in comparison to a number of people who could wrestle circles around them on their best days during their pushes.